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Wasted POTential – Cost/Benefit analysis
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Posted 12/28/09 08:48 PM
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WASHINGTON ONE OF FOUR STATES CONSIDERING BILLS

Proposed bill would legalize pot

SEATTLE LAWMAKER SAYS ITS TIME TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION


BY RACHELLA CORTE

Associated Press

OLYMPIA — Washington is one of four states where measures to legalize and regulate marijuana have been introduced, and about two dozen other states are considering bills ranging from medical marijuana to decriminalizing posses­sion of small amounts of the herb.

“In terms of state legisla­tures, this is far and away the most active year that we’ve ever seen,” said Ethan Nadelmann, executive di­rector of the New York­based Drug Policy Alliance, which supports reforming marijuana laws.

Nadelmann saidthat while legalization efforts are not likely to get much traction in state capitals anytime soon, the fact that there is such an increase of activity “is elevating the level of public discourse on this issue and legitimizing it.”

“I would say that we are close to the tipping point,” he said. “At this point they are still seen as symbolic bills to get the conversation going, but at least the conversation can be a serious one.”

Opponents of relaxing marijuana laws aren’t hap­py with any conversation on the topic, other than keeping the drug illegal.

“There’s no upside to it in any manner other than for those people who want to smoke pot,” said Travis Kuykendall,head of the West Texas High Intensity Drug­Trafficking Area office in El Paso, Texas. “There’s noth­ing for society in it, there’s nothing good for the country in it, there’s nothing for the good of the economy in it.”

Legalization bills were introduced in California and Massachusetts earlier this year, and this month, New Hampshire and Wash­ington state prefiled bills in advance of their legislative sessions that begin in Janu­ary. Marijuana is illegal un­der federal law, but guide­lines have been loosened on federal prosecution of medical marijuana under the Obama administration.

Even so, marijuana re­form legislation remains a tough sell in some places. In the South, for example, only Mississippi and North Carolina have decriminal­ization laws on the books.

“It’s a social and cul­tural thing,” said Bruce Mirken, spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project, a Washington, D.C.-based marijuana advocacy group. “There are some parts of the country where social at­titudes are just a little more cautious and conservative.” Rep. Mary Lou Dicker­son, a Seattle Democrat who is sponsoring the legal­ization bill in Washington state, said that she “wanted to start a strong conversa­tion about the pros and cons of legalizing marijuana.”

Under her bill, marijuana would be sold in Washington state’s 160 state-run liquor stores, and customers, 21 and older, would pay a tax of 15 percent per gram. The measure would dedicate most of the money raised for substance abuse prevention and treatment, which is fac­ing potential cuts in the state budget. Dickerson said the measure could eventually bring in as much to state cof­fers as alcohol does, more than $300 million a year.

“Our state is facing a huge financial deficit and deficits are projected for a few more years,” Dick­erson said, referring to the projected $2.6 billion hole lawmakers will need to fill next year. “We need to look at revenue and see what might be possible.”

Allen St. Pierre, execu­tive director of the Nation­al Organization for the Re­form of Marijuana Laws, said that tough economic times across the country have lawmakers looking at everything, and may lead even more states to eventu­ally consider the potential tax value of pot.

Ron Brooks, president of the National Narcotics Officers’ Associations’ Co­alition, said that he feared that, if legalized, marijuana would contribute to more highway accidents and deaths, as well as a potential increase in health care costs for those who smoke it.

State lawmakers, he said, need to ask themselves “if they believe we really will make all that revenue, and even if we did, will it be worth the suffering, the loss of opportunities, the chronic illness or death that would occur?”

Legalization isn’t the only measure lawmakers across the country are weighing. About two dozen states, in­cluding Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Wisconsin, are considering bills ranging from medical marijuana to decriminalizing posses­sion of small amounts of marijuana, St. Pierre said. Washington state is among the states that are consider­ing decriminalization, with a bill that would reclassify adult possession of mari­juana from a crime with jail time to a civil infraction with a $100 penalty.



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#24954 - 12/29/09 01:09 PM Re: Wasted POTential – Cost/Benefit analysis [Re: harborknight]
Lumberjack Offline
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Originally Posted By: harborknight
If someone gets high and starts driving, I have an issue. Marijuana slows your reflexes to the point that it is not safe to drive.

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#24957 - 12/29/09 01:46 PM Re: Wasted POTential – Cost/Benefit analysis [Re: Bogus_bill]
funkycamper Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bogus_bill
Imagine taking some time off from working on your car to join a friend in a doobie and then waking up the next morning with a car that ran out of gas overnight while it was still running because you forgot what you were doing.


Ha! You must have been smoking the good stuff!
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#24969 - 12/29/09 02:43 PM Re: Wasted POTential – Cost/Benefit analysis [Re: Chubbs]
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And from a linear perspective, given that the state is involved in gambling, alcohol and perhaps soon, drugs, it follows that state taxed prostitution will ensue?

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#24973 - 12/29/09 03:17 PM Re: Wasted POTential – Cost/Benefit analysis [Re: funkycamper]
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You must have been smoking the good stuff!



That all was another life, another time. It was more of a social thing. I never had it in me to be a drunk or a stoner but some of those friends are still whacked out and, in their lives, went exactly nowhere.

Which is my point. If Obama had continued inhaling he wouldn't be president. If I had continued I would probably live in a single wide trailer somewhere really ratty.

I don't want that for our kids. I might be resigned to having it legal but I don't want it popular. I am definitely not a pro-pot person. It may not be any worse than drinking but drinking has wasted a lot of potential as well.




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#24993 - 12/29/09 08:53 PM Re: Wasted POTential – Cost/Benefit analysis [Re: Lumberjack]
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Interesting? Yes. But as the disclaimer at the end of the video attests, that is not very good scientific evidence that cannibis and driving is safe. Is it safer than drinking? I'm sure of it. I still don't recommend it.
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#25000 - 12/29/09 10:50 PM Re: Wasted POTential – Cost/Benefit analysis [Re: Lumberjack]
MonteMark Offline
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A buddy of mine from San Diego told me that Mexico decriminalized "personal use" possession of up to 5 grams of marijuana over the summer. I couldn't believe it didn't seem to make a splash on FOX. I wonder what the news would have been if it was Canada.

I heard Mexico, and a lot of Latin America, is looking at drug usage as a health related issue vs. a criminal issue.

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#25002 - 12/29/09 11:12 PM Re: Wasted POTential – Cost/Benefit analysis [Re: MonteMark]
Wally B Offline
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Originally Posted By: MonteMark
A buddy of mine from San Diego told me that Mexico decriminalized "personal use" possession of up to 5 grams of marijuana over the summer.

True story. The law also covers heroin, cocaine, LSD, meth, etc.

Portugual decriminalized personal drug possession in 2001. Earlier this year, the Cato Institute issued a report saying it seems to have worked out OK.

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#25013 - 12/30/09 08:14 AM Re: Wasted POTential – Cost/Benefit analysis [Re: Bogus_bill]
funkycamper Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bogus_bill
Quote:
You must have been smoking the good stuff!



That all was another life, another time. It was more of a social thing. I never had it in me to be a drunk or a stoner but some of those friends are still whacked out and, in their lives, went exactly nowhere.

Which is my point. If Obama had continued inhaling he wouldn't be president. If I had continued I would probably live in a single wide trailer somewhere really ratty.

I don't want that for our kids. I might be resigned to having it legal but I don't want it popular. I am definitely not a pro-pot person. It may not be any worse than drinking but drinking has wasted a lot of potential as well.


I think we're in total agreement, including our social usage (mine was actually quite limited) in our youths.

The thing that bothers me with pot is the way it stays in your system, especially for a regular user. There needs to be way to measure for "safe" levels, like the .08 for booze. I don't believe there is. I guess, in the long run, I don't care if someone gets stoned in their home on a Saturday night as long as they're not driving. LJ's video is interesting but I still don't want a someone driving high...I just don't. And I'm not comfortable with somebody operating heavy equipment or operating on me on Monday if they were really stoned on Saturday night.

ETA - I still think it should be legal because of the ridiculous amount of time and money that is spent on the issue. But I'm really not comfortable with more extreme drugs like meth being made legal. But I do agree that all drug use/abuse should be treated more like a medical issue than a legal issue.


Edited by funkycamper (12/30/09 08:17 AM)

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#25130 - 12/31/09 01:31 PM Re: Wasted POTential – Cost/Benefit analysis [Re: harborknight]
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Originally Posted By: harborknight
My concern is that marijuana usage would go up.


Maybe after the initial reported usage you would see gradual increase in new users. This only supports a fear that I have, when asking any recovering dope head they will tell you MJ is a gateway drug.

It as much a gateway as bread is a gateway food. Bread in a weak persons hands leads to mayo and/or mustard which draws people on a downward spiral of cold cuts and even lettuce pickles and tomatos! And AND even on to the hard stuff like peanut butter and jelly!

With that being said we should keep MJ illegal and consider harsher laws on possession, internal possession, sales of bread related products.

Nevermind. I just got done blazin one with Mr. Bogus and have the munchies. See you at 7-11.
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#25132 - 12/31/09 01:51 PM Re: Wasted POTential – Cost/Benefit analysis [Re: harborknight]
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My concern is that marijuana usage would go up.


I recall reading somewhere, long ago, that the percentage of folks using heroin is today essentially unchanged from the day before the Harrison Act which controlled it's use.

I think it should be legalized. Not only would fewer criminals be created but the price would drop to the point of disabling the black marketeers who kill each other over market share. Mexico, Colombia, et al are fighting drug wars against organized criminals supplying the USA market demand. A market demand will be supplied, whether legally or otherwise. Prohibition does nothing except enable organized crime.

I do not think when legal that marijuana should be advertised, which has been what has really driven up the daily use of the various legal happy pills.
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