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Wasted POTential – Cost/Benefit analysis
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WASHINGTON ONE OF FOUR STATES CONSIDERING BILLS
Proposed bill would legalize pot
SEATTLE LAWMAKER SAYS ITS TIME TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION
BY RACHELLA CORTE
Associated Press
OLYMPIA — Washington is one of four states where measures to legalize and regulate marijuana have been introduced, and about two dozen other states are considering bills ranging from medical marijuana to decriminalizing possession of small amounts of the herb.
“In terms of state legislatures, this is far and away the most active year that we’ve ever seen,” said Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the New Yorkbased Drug Policy Alliance, which supports reforming marijuana laws.
Nadelmann saidthat while legalization efforts are not likely to get much traction in state capitals anytime soon, the fact that there is such an increase of activity “is elevating the level of public discourse on this issue and legitimizing it.”
“I would say that we are close to the tipping point,” he said. “At this point they are still seen as symbolic bills to get the conversation going, but at least the conversation can be a serious one.”
Opponents of relaxing marijuana laws aren’t happy with any conversation on the topic, other than keeping the drug illegal.
“There’s no upside to it in any manner other than for those people who want to smoke pot,” said Travis Kuykendall,head of the West Texas High Intensity DrugTrafficking Area office in El Paso, Texas. “There’s nothing for society in it, there’s nothing good for the country in it, there’s nothing for the good of the economy in it.”
Legalization bills were introduced in California and Massachusetts earlier this year, and this month, New Hampshire and Washington state prefiled bills in advance of their legislative sessions that begin in January. Marijuana is illegal under federal law, but guidelines have been loosened on federal prosecution of medical marijuana under the Obama administration.
Even so, marijuana reform legislation remains a tough sell in some places. In the South, for example, only Mississippi and North Carolina have decriminalization laws on the books.
“It’s a social and cultural thing,” said Bruce Mirken, spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project, a Washington, D.C.-based marijuana advocacy group. “There are some parts of the country where social attitudes are just a little more cautious and conservative.” Rep. Mary Lou Dickerson, a Seattle Democrat who is sponsoring the legalization bill in Washington state, said that she “wanted to start a strong conversation about the pros and cons of legalizing marijuana.”
Under her bill, marijuana would be sold in Washington state’s 160 state-run liquor stores, and customers, 21 and older, would pay a tax of 15 percent per gram. The measure would dedicate most of the money raised for substance abuse prevention and treatment, which is facing potential cuts in the state budget. Dickerson said the measure could eventually bring in as much to state coffers as alcohol does, more than $300 million a year.
“Our state is facing a huge financial deficit and deficits are projected for a few more years,” Dickerson said, referring to the projected $2.6 billion hole lawmakers will need to fill next year. “We need to look at revenue and see what might be possible.”
Allen St. Pierre, executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, said that tough economic times across the country have lawmakers looking at everything, and may lead even more states to eventually consider the potential tax value of pot.
Ron Brooks, president of the National Narcotics Officers’ Associations’ Coalition, said that he feared that, if legalized, marijuana would contribute to more highway accidents and deaths, as well as a potential increase in health care costs for those who smoke it.
State lawmakers, he said, need to ask themselves “if they believe we really will make all that revenue, and even if we did, will it be worth the suffering, the loss of opportunities, the chronic illness or death that would occur?”
Legalization isn’t the only measure lawmakers across the country are weighing. About two dozen states, including Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Wisconsin, are considering bills ranging from medical marijuana to decriminalizing possession of small amounts of marijuana, St. Pierre said. Washington state is among the states that are considering decriminalization, with a bill that would reclassify adult possession of marijuana from a crime with jail time to a civil infraction with a $100 penalty.
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#25135 - 12/31/09 02:52 PM
Re: Wasted POTential – Cost/Benefit analysis
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Carpal Tunnel
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Prohibition does nothing except enable organized crime. True that. There is not a lot of criminal activity or organized crime in the Oreo Cookie business. Oreos are much, much better than any drug, if you ask me, but they're legal. I stipulate that Oreos are probably not addictive. Granted, there is a debate regarding carb addition. But excessive use of Oreo cookies, is much more harmful that the use of pot, imo.
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#25136 - 12/31/09 03:46 PM
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But excessive use of Oreo cookies, is much more harmful that the use of pot, imo. Though marijuana is a gateway drug to Oreos.
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#25137 - 12/31/09 03:59 PM
Re: Wasted POTential – Cost/Benefit analysis
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Carpal Tunnel
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Point!
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#25140 - 12/31/09 07:08 PM
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Pepsico not only makes Pepsi, Mountain Dew, and other related beverages, but they also own Frito-Lay, makers of Doritos, etc. and for many years owned Taco Bell, KFC, and Pizza Hut. I don't think any company made as much money legally from marijuana as Pepsi.
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#25142 - 12/31/09 11:22 PM
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Pepsico not only makes Pepsi, Mountain Dew, and other related beverages, but they also own Frito-Lay, makers of Doritos, etc. and for many years owned Taco Bell, KFC, and Pizza Hut. I don't think any company made as much money legally from marijuana as Pepsi. Whoa dude! Yer makin' me hungry.
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#25153 - 01/01/10 11:36 AM
Re: Wasted POTential – Cost/Benefit analysis
[Re: Turnow]
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Carpal Tunnel
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[quote]I do not think when legal that marijuana should be advertised, which has been what has really driven up the daily use of the various legal happy pills. Allowing pharmaceutical advertising for every type of medication, even ones that don't make you "happy", is one of the stupidest decisions every made, imho.
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#25167 - 01/01/10 12:45 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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I agree.
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#25180 - 01/01/10 04:40 PM
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Carpal Tunnel
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My concern is that marijuana usage would go up. This only supports a fear that I have, when asking any recovering dope head they will tell you MJ is a gateway drug. Just goes to show you can't trust what a "dope head" says. Myth: Marijuana is a Gateway Drug. Even if marijuana itself causes minimal harm, it is a dangerous substance because it leads to the use of "harder drugs" like heroin, LSD, and cocaine.
Fact: Marijuana does not cause people to use hard drugs. What the gateway theory presents as a causal explanation is a statistic association between common and uncommon drugs, an association that changes over time as different drugs increase and decrease in prevalence. Marijuana is the most popular illegal drug in the United States today. Therefore, people who have used less popular drugs such as heroin, cocaine, and LSD, are likely to have also used marijuana. Most marijuana users never use any other illegal drug. Indeed, for the large majority of people, marijuana is a terminus rather than a gateway drug.
* Morral, Andrew R.; McCaffrey, Daniel F. and Susan M. Paddock. “Reassessing the marijuana gateway effect.” Addiction 97.12 (2002): 1493-504.
* United States. National Household Survey on Drug Abuse: Population Estimates 1994. Rockville, MD: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 1995.
* ---. National Household Survey on Drug Abuse: Main Findings 1994. Rockville, MD: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 1996.
* D.B. Kandel and M. Davies, “Progression to Regular Marijuana Involvement: Phenomenology and Risk Factors for Near-Daily Use,” Vulnerability to Drug Abuse, Eds. M. Glantz and R. Pickens. Washington, D.C.: American Psychological Association, 1992: 211-253.
Edited by Beavis H. Christ (01/01/10 04:41 PM)
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#25182 - 01/01/10 04:43 PM
Re: Wasted POTential – Cost/Benefit analysis
[Re: Bogus_bill]
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Carpal Tunnel
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You must have been smoking the good stuff! If Obama had continued inhaling he wouldn't be president. If I had continued I would probably live in a single wide trailer somewhere really ratty. I don't want that for our kids. I might be resigned to having it legal but I don't want it popular. I am definitely not a pro-pot person. It may not be any worse than drinking but drinking has wasted a lot of potential as well. Pot causes motivational problems? Also false: Fact: For twenty-five years, researchers have searched for a marijuana-induced amotivational syndrome and have failed to find it. People who are intoxicated constantly, regardless of the drug, are unlikely to be productive members of society. There is nothing about marijuana specifically that causes people to lose their drive and ambition. In laboratory studies, subjects given high doses of marijuana for several days or even several weeks exhibit no decrease in work motivation or productivity. Among working adults, marijuana users tend to earn higher wages than non-users. College students who use marijuana have the same grades as nonusers. Among high school students, heavy use is associated with school failure, but school failure usually comes first.
* Himmelstein, J.L. The Strange Career of Marihuana: Politics and Ideology of Drug Control in America. Westport, CT: Greenwood Press, 1983.
* Mellinger, G.D. et al. “Drug Use, Academic Performance, and Career Indecision: Longitudinal Data in Search of a Model.” Longitudinal Research on Drug Use: Empirical Findings and Methodological Issues. Ed. D.B. Kandel. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association, 1978. 157-177.
* Pope, H.G. et al., “Drug Use and Life Style Among College Undergraduates in 1989: A Comparison With 1969 and 1978,” American Journal of Psychiatry 147 (1990): 998-1001.
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#25183 - 01/01/10 04:46 PM
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Carpal Tunnel
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Another interesting pot myth exploded:
Myth: Marijuana Policy in the Netherlands is a Failure. Dutch law, which allows marijuana to be bought, sold, and used openly, has resulted in increasing rates of marijuana use, particularly in youth.
Fact: The Netherlands' drug policy is the most nonpunitive in Europe. For more than twenty years, Dutch citizens over age eighteen have been permitted to buy and use cannabis (marijuana and hashish) in government-regulated coffee shops. This policy has not resulted in dramatically escalating cannabis use. For most age groups, rates of marijuana use in the Netherlands are similar to those in the United States. However, for young adolescents, rates of marijuana use are lower in the Netherlands than in the United States. The Dutch people overwhelmingly approve of current cannabis policy which seeks to normalize rather than dramatize cannabis use. The Dutch government occasionally revises existing policy, but it remains committed to decriminalization.
* Fromberg, E. “The Case of the Netherlands: Contradictions and Values in Questioning Prohibition.” 1994 International Report on Drugs, Brussels: International Antiprohibitionist League, 1994. 113-124.
* Sandwijk, J.P., et al. Licit and Illicit Drug Use in Amsterdam II. Amsterdam: University of Amsterdam, 1995.
* Gunning, K.F. Crime Rate and Drug Use in Holland. Rotterdam: Dutch National Committee on Drug Prevention. 1993.
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