#24880 - 12/28/09 06:08 PM
Re: The Christians and the Pagans
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Really? Regardless?
You believe that Jesus was a great moral teacher. Jesus taught that He was/is the Son of God. Do you believe that great moral teachers teach lies?
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#24883 - 12/28/09 06:15 PM
Re: The Christians and the Pagans
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A lie would imply intentional deception. But to answer your question, no.
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#24897 - 12/28/09 08:08 PM
Re: The Christians and the Pagans
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C. S. Lewis was silly in his assertion.
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#24902 - 12/28/09 09:12 PM
Re: The Christians and the Pagans
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Jesus taught that He was/is the Son of God.
No, he didn't. But that assertion does fit the business model.
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#24906 - 12/28/09 10:43 PM
Re: The Christians and the Pagans
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Jesus taught that He was/is the Son of God.
No, he didn't. But that assertion does fit the business model. Yes, He did.
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
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#24915 - 12/29/09 08:50 AM
Re: The Christians and the Pagans
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No, he didn't.
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
...which totally ignores John 10:34, at which Jesus notes something that Buddha also did--"God" is in all of us, i.e. we all have the potential for enlightenment. So if we're all God, who cares if one guy says "I'm God"? Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? John 10:34-36 This is a theme Jesus returns to repeatedly; open your eyes, he's saying. It's in me, but it's in all of you, too.
Edited by Beavis H. Christ (12/29/09 08:51 AM)
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#24974 - 12/29/09 03:27 PM
Re: The Christians and the Pagans
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Beavis, Beavis, Beavis. Context is everything. We have gone over this before. I gave you the short version. See if you can better comprehend the long version: http://www.nd.edu/~jneyrey1/Gods.html
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#24983 - 12/29/09 05:39 PM
Re: The Christians and the Pagans
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Here we go again. Jesus says something that is plain, clear, and doesn't fit the business model. "Your own scriptures say you're gods," Jesus says. "But it's a crime when I do it?" Cue the business model apologists, who feel compelled to spend 10,000+ words trying to somehow shoehorn a plain and clear message into a completely unrelated but extremely lucrative box.
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#24987 - 12/29/09 07:08 PM
Re: The Christians and the Pagans
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Just as there is a major difference between Son of God, and sons of God, so too there is a major difference between God (who said "I am God and there is no other") and gods.
You have no intention of comprehending, so I have no intention of casting my pearls before you except to say, it is obvious you have no understanding of scripture, of the continuity of scripture, and of scriptural context.
If anyone else is interested, the link explains the topic very clearly.
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