#25717 - 01/16/10 02:11 PM
Re: Truth?
[Re: Freelancer]
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Pooh-Bah
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"However, too many "believers" cling to the biblical kumbaya passages and reject Christ's instruction to judge with righteous judgment ..."
Exactly what does this mean? What message are you sending? Replace the word "Christ" with Allah and what would be your reaction? Maybe I'm just having a hard time discerning the context. Zealots are tone deaf to contradictions inherent within their ideology, and are able to justify almost anything, as they are so convinced of their superior rectitude.
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#25758 - 01/18/10 09:39 AM
Re: Truth?
[Re: Freelancer]
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Carpal Tunnel
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Wow, just read through this thread and ... I am all for respecting others religious beliefs ... but some of the rambling non sequitur here is a little disturbing, like a Dr. Bronner's soap bottle but not in a good way. The words fervent and creepy come to mind, among others. Just sayin' ... like this quote from above:
"However, too many "believers" cling to the biblical kumbaya passages and reject Christ's instruction to judge with righteous judgment ..."
Exactly what does this mean? What message are you sending? Replace the word "Christ" with Allah and what would be your reaction? Maybe I'm just having a hard time discerning the context. It exactly means that some who claim to be followers of Christ pick and choose which of His teachings they deem valid and worth their attention, instead of heeding His whole counsel. Many will accept His inclusive feel good kumbaya teachings, but reject His harsher teachings concerning sin and exclusion from His Kingdom. I never replace Christ with Allah. Christ did not teach believers to slay unbelievers. That is my reaction.
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#25780 - 01/18/10 12:55 PM
Re: Truth?
[Re: ikayak]
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Carpal Tunnel
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Really? They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13) If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3) Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19) f your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5) God also commands believers to kill people who don't listen to priests or judges, witches, homosexuals, fortune-tellers, whoever strikes or curses their mother or father, adulterers, fornicators, women who aren't virgins on their wedding nights, blasphemers, people who work on the sabbath, and those who get too close to the tabernacle (unless they're a Levite). Of course, I'm sure all these are somehow being taken out of context. 
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#25783 - 01/18/10 01:32 PM
Re: Truth?
[Re: funkycamper]
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It makes me sad that you do not recognize/understand that the Incarnation of God the Son, His Atonement, and His Resurrection, announced a new Kingdom age.
Cite biblical scripture where the Incarnate Christ commands believers to slay those who do not believe.
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#25786 - 01/18/10 02:03 PM
Re: Truth?
[Re: ikayak]
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Carpal Tunnel
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It makes me sad that you do not recognize/understand that the Incarnation of God the Son, His Atonement, and His Resurrection, announced a new Kingdom age.
Cite biblical scripture where the Incarnated Christ commands believers to slay those who do not believe.
None of my business, but I thought the Son and the Father and the Holy Spirit were one-in-the-same and if you read words in the OT, the Son not only agrees with them, but participated in the divine inspiration of them. Additionally, I thought the Son said something like "I have not come to overrule the words of the past but to fulfill them". At least that's what a lot of people say when the want to pretend the OT words matter. But, sometimes, it seems the OT words don't matter. Good thing none of it matters. You can't tell the players without a program. 
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#25789 - 01/18/10 02:13 PM
Re: Truth?
[Re: Stash]
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Carpal Tunnel
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One Divine Essence, Three Persons. Christ perfectly fulfilled the requirements of God's Law. Doing so, He was able to be the Perfect Atonement for those who are unable to fulfill God's Law perfectly (everyone else) and believe (many). The OT words DO matter. Like every other instruction manual, comprehension and application is key. There IS a program. It's called The Bible. 
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#25791 - 01/18/10 02:42 PM
Re: Truth?
[Re: ikayak]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 07/08/08
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One Divine Essence, Three Persons.
And, all fully aware of the other's actions and intent. Christ perfectly fulfilled the requirements of God's Law.Doing so, He was able to be the Perfect Atonement for those who are unable to fulfill God's Law perfectly (everyone else) and believe (many). AND, made it clear he was not changing any of it, but telling all, it still stood as the divine inspired, inerrent, word of God, right? I know. Christians like Fred Phelps quote them all the time. Like every other instruction manual, comprehension and application is key. And there are some who think they have the comprehension and application down pat (pun intended), but amazingly, there are others with at least as much confidence and zeal that they have comprehended and applied the manual better and/or differently. There IS a program. It's called The Bible. With far, far more interpreters, comprehension guides, application helpers, than third world telephone bank... and, just as helpful.
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#25794 - 01/18/10 03:25 PM
Re: Truth?
[Re: Stash]
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Carpal Tunnel
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I will admit that teachings concerning the Godhead can get complicated, especially in discussion of the Eternal Deity of the Incarnate Christ.
And yes, the OT is the divine, inspired Word of God. However, the application of God's OT instruction changed with the passing of the OT Levitical system and the ushering in of the New Covenant and the Eternal High Priesthood of His Son, Jesus Christ.
I've long ago taken the not so subtle hint that you are an unbeliever and are more interested in ridiculing the Godhead and God's Word than really understanding it. And quite frankly, God's Word says understanding it requires the kind of spiritual understanding not given to unbelievers. Sorry, I didn't lay down that rule.
So at this juncture, I'm not really in the mood to go into further explanation. Color me kicking off the dust.
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#25796 - 01/18/10 04:34 PM
Re: Truth?
[Re: ikayak]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 12/03/08
Posts: 1950
Loc: Xalapa, Veracruz Mexico
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How very fortunate we are to have the reservoir of all metaphysical truth anointing us here at GHT with his omniscience.
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#25797 - 01/18/10 04:42 PM
Re: Truth?
[Re: Turnow]
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Carpal Tunnel
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How very fortunate we are to have the reservoir of all metaphysical truth anointing us here at GHT with his omniscience. LOL! Well, even so Ninevah. Why not GHT? 
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