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#26316 - 01/30/10 08:51 PM Idaho Baptists Try Stealing Haintain Children
Turnow Offline
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These are some astoundingly clueless people to think that they may go to another country, collect 33 children, and just drive into another country without any documentation of any legal authority to do so.

The trafficking in Haitian children is at present a growth industry. These folks just happened to get caught.

Talk about "Ugly Americans". Not that they had any nefarious intentions, they assure us, it's just that they're entirely clueless.


Edited by Turnow (01/30/10 09:08 PM)
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#26321 - 01/31/10 08:36 AM Re: Idaho Baptists Try Stealing Haintain Children [Re: Turnow]
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Maybe I'm naive, but I really think these people were clueless. Not that is defensible, but these people don't seem all that bright.
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#26324 - 01/31/10 09:05 AM Re: Idaho Baptists Try Stealing Haintain Children [Re: harborknight]
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Whenever I see useless fools, like these, showing up at a disaster I wonder why they just didn't donate their travel costs to the Red Cross.

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#26330 - 01/31/10 10:07 AM Re: Idaho Baptists Try Stealing Haintain Children [Re: harborknight]
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Maybe I'm naive, but I really think these people were clueless. Not that is defensible, but these people don't seem all that bright.


That's certainly the way I see it, though there may be more to it. They are "suspected of taking part in an illegal adoption scheme."

From a later AP report.

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The children, some of them sick and dehydrated, were taken to an orphanage run by Austrian-based SOS Children's Villages, which was trying to find their parents or close relatives, said a spokesman there, George Willeit.

"One child, an 8- or 9-year-old, said she thought she was going to some sort of summer or vacation camp in the Dominican Republic," Willeit said.

The Baptist group planned to scoop up 100 kids and take them by bus to a 45-room hotel at Cabarete, a beach resort in the Dominican Republic, that they were converting into an orphanage, Silsby told the AP.

Whether they realized it or not, these Americans — the first known to be taken into custody since the Jan. 12 quake — put themselves in the middle of a firestorm in Haiti, where government leaders have suspended adoptions amid fears that parentless or lost children are more vulnerable than ever to child trafficking.

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Social Affairs Minister Yves Cristallin told the AP that the Americans were suspected of taking part in an illegal adoption scheme.
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#26333 - 01/31/10 10:33 AM Re: Idaho Baptists Try Stealing Haintain Children [Re: Turnow]
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Hilarious.

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#26338 - 01/31/10 11:35 AM Re: Idaho Baptists Try Stealing Haintain Children [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
Turnow Offline
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Hilarious.


Indeed.
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#26341 - 01/31/10 01:40 PM Re: Idaho Baptists Try Stealing Haintain Children [Re: Turnow]
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AFP reports that could well be more than a bungled attempt at altruism to the story - "most of the kids have family.".

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Haitian authorities said police had arrested five men and five women with US passports, as well as two Haitians, as they tried to cross into the neighboring Dominican Republic with 33 children late Friday.

Border police "saw a bus with a lot of children. Thirty-three children. When asked about the children's documents, they had no documents," Haitian Culture and Communications Minister Marie Laurence Jocelyn Lassegue said.

Social Affairs Minister Yves Christallin identified the Americans as members of an Idaho-based charity called New Life Children's Refuge. "This is an abduction, not an adoption," he said.

Some of the older children had spoken to aid workers and "say their parents are alive, and some of them gave us an address and phone numbers," said Patricia Vargas, head of an international center caring for the youngsters.

Vargas said officials at the Haitian Institute of Social Welfare, which deals with adoptions, told her "most of the kids have family."
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#26346 - 01/31/10 06:45 PM Re: Idaho Baptists Try Stealing Haintain Children [Re: Turnow]
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And from an even more recent AP report.

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The church group's own mission statement said it planned to spend only hours in the devastated capital, quickly identifying children without immediate families and busing them to a rented hotel in the Dominican Republic without bothering to get permission from the Haitian government.

Whatever their intentions, other child welfare organizations in Haiti called the plan reckless.

"The instinct to swoop in and rescue children may be a natural impulse but it cannot be the solution for the tens of thousands of children left vulnerable by the Haiti earthquake," said Deb Barry, a protection expert at Save the Children, which wants a moratorium on new adoptions. "The possibility of a child being scooped up and mistakenly labeled an orphan in the chaotic aftermath of the disaster is incredibly high."

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The children, ages 2 months to 12 years old, were taken to an orphanage run by Austrian-based SOS Children's Villages, where spokesman George Willeit said they arrived "very hungry, very thirsty."

A 2- to 3-month old baby was dehydrated and had to be hospitalized, he said.

"One (8-year-old) girl was crying, and saying, 'I am not an orphan. I still have my parents.' And she thought she was going on a summer camp or a boarding school or something like that," Willeit said.

The orphanage was working to reunite the children with their families, joining a concerted effort by the Haitian government, the United Nations, the International Committee of the Red Cross and other NGOs.

Willeit said a woman from the group had spent time in Port-au-Prince prior to the quake winning the trust of people in a neighborhood whose children were taken.

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As the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, Haiti is in a difficult spot — it needs aid, but deeply resents foreign meddling. Many have mixed feelings toward Christian groups that funnel hundreds of millions into missions in Haiti.

"There are many who come here with religious ideas that belong more in the time of the inquisition," said Max Beauvoir, head of Haiti's Voodoo Priest's Association, which represents thousands of priests and priestesses. "These types of people believe they need to save our souls and our bodies from ourselves. We need compassion, not proselytizing now, and we need aid — not just aid going to people of the Christian faith."

Two-thirds of Haiti's 9 million are said to practice Voodoo, a melange of beliefs from parts of west Africa and Catholicism.



If this AP report is true it appears that the group was window shopping for children before the earthquake.



Edited by Turnow (01/31/10 06:49 PM)
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#26363 - 02/01/10 02:13 AM Re: Idaho Baptists Try Stealing Haintain Children [Re: Turnow]
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Yikes! It sure does. It reminds me of our own history in taking Native American children away from their parents and sending them to boarding schools. Just nasty.
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#26388 - 02/01/10 11:26 AM Re: Idaho Baptists Try Stealing Haintain Children [Re: funkycamper]
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Originally Posted By: funkycamper
It reminds me of our own history in taking Native American children away from their parents and sending them to boarding schools.

Not quite. The parents of those kids knew where they were and expected them to come back.

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