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#26500 - 02/08/10 10:39 AM Re: Truth? [Re: TheYeti]
thepull Offline
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Originally Posted By: TheYeti
Agreed, however this same level of skepticism needs to be reapplied to all theories, old and new. This can be said for all disciplines of science.


All theories, or just the ones that go against certain religious views?

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#26510 - 02/09/10 04:51 AM Re: Truth? [Re: thepull]
TheYeti Offline
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All theories, including religious views. Tested and retested, as technology and civility "advance"....why not?

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#26519 - 02/09/10 10:06 AM Re: Truth? [Re: TheYeti]
thepull Offline
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Originally Posted By: TheYeti
All theories, including religious views. Tested and retested, as technology and civility "advance"....why not?



How can you test a religion?

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#26523 - 02/09/10 11:59 AM Re: Truth? [Re: TheYeti]
Stash Offline
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Why would you confuse scientific theories and religious views?
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#26526 - 02/09/10 01:24 PM Re: Truth? [Re: thepull]
Wally B Offline
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Originally Posted By: thepull
How can you test a religion?

Objectively, you can't, since most promise to deliver the really big results postmortem.
People apply subjective tests, that's why we have the word "apostate" in the dictionary.

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#26534 - 02/10/10 04:55 AM Re: Truth? [Re: Wally B]
TheYeti Offline
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Not test it, but at look at it with a critical and independent eye. The idea being, to think independently....not believing something or someone just because everyone else does.
In the world of science, everything is "held under the microscope" so to speak, and expected to stand up to intense scrutiny. Yet when it comes to other methods of explaining our reality via religion, people will swallow almost anything that is thrown at them.

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#26536 - 02/10/10 07:41 AM Re: Truth? [Re: TheYeti]
Stash Offline
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Originally Posted By: TheYeti
In the world of science, everything is "held under the microscope" so to speak, and expected to stand up to intense scrutiny. Yet when it comes to other methods of explaining our reality via religion, people will swallow almost anything that is thrown at them.


Scientists "swallow almost anything that is thrown at them" regarding religion?

I still stuck back on your first post in this line of discussion in which you wrote: "There is only room for independent thought within scientific and religious communities as long as it doesn't upset the status quo." That didn't make much sense and now you're throwing out more of the same.

Without discussion on some of your statements, I give up. But, then again, maybe you didn't want any discussion.
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#26546 - 02/11/10 04:53 AM Re: Truth? [Re: Stash]
TheYeti Offline
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The followers of each respective encampment (being the scientific and religious communities) seem to swallow without question what is fed to them by their leaders.

Dissenting views, deviation from accepted views, and independent thinking typically give way to advances.

I understand not everyone has time to go put every theory to the test, or ponder every word of each religious text. Neither community has a monopoly on reality or our history.

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#26547 - 02/11/10 07:19 AM Re: Truth? [Re: TheYeti]
Stash Offline
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Quote:
Dissenting views, deviation from accepted views, and independent thinking typically give way to advances.


For science, I agree. I'm not as sure about religion. Testing, proving, disproving, proposing a new hypothesis, is the essense of science. Testing, proving, or disproving, or offering a new hypothesis, is not part of any religious doctrine.

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I understand not everyone has time to go put every theory to the test, or ponder every word of each religious text.


I think this sentence is vital. A serious discussion comparing science and religion is pretty much impossible. You agree to allow testing science, but you want religion "pondered" or thought about. Appropriately, the standards are completely unrelated and illustrate why the two subjects don't belong in the same conversation.
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#26549 - 02/11/10 09:18 AM Re: Truth? [Re: Stash]
FUBAR Offline
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Originally Posted By: Stash
You agree to allow testing science, but you want religion "pondered" or thought about. Appropriately, the standards are completely unrelated and illustrate why the two subjects don't belong in the same conversation.


Or the same classroom, for that matter.

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