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#27116 - 03/04/10 09:21 AM Re: Teabagger whining [Re: ikayak]
Beavis H. Christ Offline
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Judicial watch = right wing mouthpiece.

Next you'll be citing Fox Noise as an authoritative source. Again.

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#27118 - 03/04/10 09:38 AM Re: Teabagger whining [Re: Turnow]
Wally B Offline
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Originally Posted By: Turnow
Who else's opinion would I be posting? I think I've made it quite clear in my posts that it is my "perception".

I guess you've got to make it clear that your perception is a product of your observations, experience and thought as opposed to a product of listening to talk radio.

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#27121 - 03/04/10 09:47 AM Re: Teabagger whining [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak

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I disagreed, noting that the USA is less politically corrupt than it has ever been,



And I'd like to see that "note" backed up by statistical facts.


And we all know what Mark Twain said about statistics. What kind of statistics do you think are available to help one measure corruption? Turnow merely expressed his opinion.

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#27129 - 03/04/10 11:26 AM Re: Teabagger whining [Re: Wally B]
Turnow Offline
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I guess you've got to make it clear that your perception is a product of your observations, experience and thought as opposed to a product of listening to talk radio.


I guess, but I thought I'd made it quite clear. Just for the record I don't listen to talk radio, watch TV news, nor spend much time at what I consider to be dogmatic web sites and blogs.


Edited by Turnow (03/04/10 11:28 AM)
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#27131 - 03/04/10 12:35 PM Re: Teabagger whining [Re: Turnow]
Wally B Offline
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Originally Posted By: Turnow
Just for the record I don't listen to talk radio, watch TV news, nor spend much time at what I consider to be dogmatic web sites and blogs.

That's always been obvious to me.

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#27134 - 03/04/10 01:51 PM Re: Teabagger whining [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak

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I just don't think this period in history is the worst.


You sure about that?
Let's look at just one little pea in the political pod:


Yeah, as a bit of an amateur historian with an understanding of the corruption that has been a part of US politics since the beginning, even perpetuated by some of the founders who people tend to put on a pedestal of virtue that they don't necessarily deserve, I'm pretty confident in my assessment.
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#27135 - 03/04/10 02:43 PM Re: Teabagger whining [Re: Wally B]
Turnow Offline
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Thank you.
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#27137 - 03/04/10 06:58 PM Re: Teabagger whining [Re: Turnow]
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Originally Posted By: Turnow
You asserted that the Tea Party will ascend to become a political force because of how politically corrupt the USA has become. I disagreed, noting that the USA is less politically corrupt than it has ever been, and asserted that the cranky 10% has always been with us.

That's all, though I think you moved the target a bit.

As you pointed out a few posts back, we just disagree.
It's OK.



I'll try to get back on target and sum up before we withdraw in disagreement.

You and I can agree that the Tea Party represents an angry fringe phenomenon. You dismissed them on that account while I argued that they represent a growing body of disenchanted populous. Released two weeks ago, a CNN survey evidenced that 56% of people in the survey felt that: "The federal government has become so large and powerful that it poses an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens." Such extreme anti-statism serves to undermine democratic self government.

To exacerbate this situation, economic inequality in the US stands at levels not seen since the 1920's, while polarization between the Democraps and the Republicraps is deeper than at any time since the end of the 19th century. In other words, intense public mistrust.

Add to this that during the present decade, political leaders must convince all of us that the present fiscal course is unsustainable and that only unpleasant changes can rectify things and I assert we have a recipe for chaos and decline.

Now we can leave in disagreement.
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#27138 - 03/04/10 07:13 PM Re: Teabagger whining [Re: Geezer]
Turnow Offline
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Now we can leave in disagreement.


Fair enough.
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