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#26884 - 02/26/10 05:14 PM Re: Best God in the Show [Re: funkycamper]
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Just the fact that there is some intelligent "who" out there means that religion enters the picture


Einstein would agree with you.

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How can one teach intelligent design without getting into talk about gods/goddesses?


For starters by not labeling the intelligent designer as a god or goddess. While Einstein did sometimes use the name God in his lectures and interviews, he also used the words "spirit", "intelligence", and "Old One." Call the "who" the "designer".

Also, I'd probably introduce students to Stephen Myer and use his material on DNA.

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And, even if it was being taught, since it is simply a hypothesis, it would have to be taught as such. There has been no scientific evidence to advance intelligent design to the theory stage and, thus, it can't accurately be called a theory. And you can bet the religious community would balk at intelligent design not being given theory status and, thus, being taught at a different level than Darwin's theory, even though they clearly don't understand what theory means in the scientific mileau. It would be a whole other can of worms.


You are assuming and projecting. Imo, Intelligent Design should be taught in the public school classroom as a scientific inquiry.

And just a side note: The M-theory cannot be proven, so really, it's simply a hypothesis. It can't accurately be called a theory either. I believe most scientists like to fudge a bit and call it a hypothetical theory. =-)

You have self-identified as a Christian on this board, do you believe in the basic Christian tenet that God created the universe and everything in it by His Eternal Word?


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#26887 - 02/26/10 06:50 PM Re: Best God in the Show [Re: ikayak]
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#26888 - 02/26/10 06:59 PM Re: Best God in the Show [Re: ikayak]
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Call the "who" the "designer".


I would use the term "designers". Surely, it would have to have come from a Committee.
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#26890 - 02/26/10 07:05 PM Re: Best God in the Show [Re: ikayak]
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Exactly like him.
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#26894 - 02/26/10 07:32 PM Re: Best God in the Show [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak

For starters by not labeling the intelligent designer as a god or goddess. While Einstein did sometimes use the name God in his lectures and interviews, he also used the words "spirit", "intelligence", and "Old One." Call the "who" the "designer".


Thank you for proving my point. It is impossible to teach ID without bringing spirituality into the discussion and, therefore, is not appropriate for a science class.

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You have self-identified as a Christian on this board, do you believe in the basic Christian tenet that God created the universe and everything in it by His Eternal Word?


Yes, but I don't take 7-day creation or Adam & Eve literally. But what does my belief system have to do with what is constitutional and proper teaching in a science class?
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#26916 - 02/27/10 09:24 PM Re: Best God in the Show [Re: funkycamper]
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Thank you for proving my point. It is impossible to teach ID without bringing spirituality into the discussion and, therefore, is not appropriate for a science class.


I notice that you have switched from "religion" to "spirituality".

Einstein, by his own words, was a very religious man. That does not mean he worshipped gods and goddesses.

He did however, believe that "science without religion is lame." I certainly do not want our public school children exposed to "lame" science classes, do you?

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Yes, but I don't take 7-day creation or Adam & Eve literally. But what does my belief system have to do with what is constitutional and proper teaching in a science class?


Just curious.

Do you believe in the Christian tenets of the Virgin Birth, the death, the Resurrection, and the Ascension of the Crucified Christ?
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#26927 - 02/28/10 09:33 AM Re: Best God in the Show [Re: ikayak]
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To me, religion and spirituality should be one and the same. While some people can be spiritual without being involved in an organized religion, their spirituality is still their personal religion.

Spirituality or religion do not belong in a school unless their simply being taught as part of a cultural studies or comparative religion course.

Yes. I think I have made that clear in other discussions. It's like you're always trying to trip me up or something. Odd.
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#26967 - 02/28/10 08:32 PM Re: Best God in the Show [Re: funkycamper]
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Nope, not trying to "trip" you up at all.
Just curious, that's all.
Thank you for responding.
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#26983 - 03/01/10 09:04 AM Re: Best God in the Show [Re: ikayak]
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The question has been asked and answered numerous times before.
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