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#27268 - 03/08/10 09:48 AM Re: Abuse of Power [Re: Bogus_bill]
Wally B Offline
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Registered: 11/10/08
Posts: 822
Originally Posted By: Bogus_bill
As far as I know the only stimulus money that made it to Grays Harbor was that bus transfer station that we didn't need.

Although stimulus funds were spent on the new station, the bulk of the funding was allocated in 2005. (Why did it take so long to break ground?)

According to this site, Grays Harbor is in line for a total of $67,954,423 in recovery funds.

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#27274 - 03/08/10 01:21 PM Re: Abuse of Power [Re: Bogus_bill]
MWMI Offline
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Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 715
As far as I know the only stimulus money that made it to Grays Harbor was that bus transfer station that we didn't need.


Actually some of Aberdeen's sidewalk projects are being paid for with stimulus money as are other projects around the county.

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#27277 - 03/08/10 02:24 PM Re: Abuse of Power [Re: MWMI]
mdean Offline
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Registered: 09/03/08
Posts: 645
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...And, as if on cue, Exhibit A of why I soooo want Obama to get it right. Because apparently, when it suits them, Republicans think there are plenty of jobs just sitting empty.
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#27281 - 03/08/10 04:36 PM Re: Abuse of Power [Re: Wally B]
MonteMark Offline
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Registered: 09/28/09
Posts: 163
Originally Posted By: Wally B
According to this site, Grays Harbor is in line for a total of $67,954,423 in recovery funds.

I couldn't get to the site. I do not believe the 68K includes money going to local schools. I'm not sure about other services, but I'm willing to bet the farm that schools are getting a whole lot more than that amount.

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#27283 - 03/08/10 05:18 PM Re: Abuse of Power [Re: MonteMark]
Wally B Offline
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Originally Posted By: MonteMark
I couldn't get to the site. I do not believe the 68K includes money going to local schools. I'm not sure about other services, but I'm willing to bet the farm that schools are getting a whole lot more than that amount.


The site, part of propublica.org, says $14,247,674.00 comes from of the Dept. of Education. Since it purports to track recovery funds, one may assume this is money over and above the usual appropriation.

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#27285 - 03/08/10 06:00 PM Re: Abuse of Power [Re: mdean]
Beavis H. Christ Offline
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Registered: 07/08/08
Posts: 3816
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Originally Posted By: mdean
...And, as if on cue, Exhibit A of why I soooo want Obama to get it right. Because apparently, when it suits them, Republicans think there are plenty of jobs just sitting empty.


Tom Delay--and anyone who believes his BS--is a typical Republican trying to blame the victim.

I don't know what the deal is in Texas, but here in Washington, to get unemployment compensation you have to apply for at least three jobs a week, keep records on where you've applied and who can be contacted to verify each application (which can be audited by the state at any time), and if you fail to go to a scheduled job interview or refuse any offer of work, not only do they cut your eligibility off but they can (and will, I am told) come after you to pay back every cent you've received in benefits right back to your very first check.

Add to that the fact that they are constantly screwing up paperwork and have a system where the left hand often doesn't know what the right hand is doing, and believe me, it's simpler and far less demeaning just to get a job.

Assuming you can find one.

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#27358 - 03/11/10 07:29 PM Re: Abuse of Power [Re: Bogus_bill]
Turnow Offline
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Registered: 12/03/08
Posts: 1950
Loc: Xalapa, Veracruz Mexico
Yahoo's "The Newsroom" blog has an accurate analysis of the "reconciliation" rules, quite in contrast to the WSJ propaganda piece to which you linked.

Quote:
Republicans are infuriated by the move and claim it's an abuse of what's called "normal order" in moving legislation through. South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, for instance, has warned that a health care bill passed through reconciliation "would be the loss of the Senate as a real viable institution."

But Democrats counter that in the past Republicans have regularly used the tactic to pass legislation they prefer. PolitiFact notes that since 1981 reconciliation has been used 22 times: 8 times by Democrats and 14 by Republicans. Republican uses included the 1996 Welfare Reform bill and a 2007 expansion of student loans. And both parties have used the process to win incremental expansions of social benefits, from enhanced Medicare benefits to COBRA health plans extending health insurance coverage to the unemployed. Republicans respond to this by arguing that none of the past uses were as consequential in terms of impact on the economy and Americans' lives.

So if reconciliation is such a powerful tool, why didn't the Democrats use it earlier? Because of another restriction, known as the Byrd rule — named for West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd, who introduced it in 1974. The Byrd rule allows the minority party to block the use of reconciliation if a bill isn't tied strongly enough to the budget process. The full health care bill the Senate passed in December would have violated the rule (and possibly jeopardized support from many centrist Democrats hoping to avoid controversy).

But, because Democrats passed a full health reform bill in December with 60 votes and are only proposing to make changes to that through reconciliation, it's easier for them to argue that those changes are simply about making the bill fit the overall budget.

That doesn't, however, mean the political fight will be any less bitter. Last September, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky vowed that the Democrats could expect a "severe reaction" if they resorted to reconciliation. "Budget reconciliation has never been used to structure one-sixth of the American economy," he said at the time.

But for Reid to announce the plan to use reconciliation means he's confident that wavering Senate Democrats will support him. And he must not be too fearful of a severe reaction, because he's up for reelection in his home state of Nevada this November.


Get real Sen. Graham. The USA Senate didn't decompose following the 14 times the republican's have used the reconciliation process, nor following the 8 times democrats have employed the senate rule.
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