#27172 - 03/05/10 11:33 AM
Re: Abuse of Power
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I see your point and agree, but have all the jobs that existed a couple years ago moved overseas, or just fizzled out because the economy couldn't support them? I think it's fair to blame part of our economy on our health care, but not our immediate situation, which is what needs to be solved first.
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#27174 - 03/05/10 11:45 AM
Re: Abuse of Power
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Our economy has been reliant upon investor bubbles of one form or another for 30 years.
The fundamental fix for the economy is to return to our roots; significantly reward labor, not capital.
"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." Abraham Lincoln, December 3, 1861.
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#27175 - 03/05/10 11:51 AM
Re: Abuse of Power
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Sure, he can multitask, but until the jobs happen, the unemployed will look at every bit of attention he put elsewhere as wasted focus that should have been spent on our economy. The appearance is that health care is his focus, whether blatantly false or not, and that is going to cost your party.
I can hear the radio spot now... cue the dramatic dirge... enter the voice over... "At a time when you had less money, what did the Democrats give you? More taxes."
OMG, it's gonna be fish in a barrel time. I don't think he should stop doing what is right because some people may falsly think he was not giving their issue enough attention and, therefore, not vote for him. Is mine the right political position? I don't know. But, I think getting healthcare reform in this brief historical window when it's possible trumps making the political decision. However, I won't concede it's value as a political decision. Anyone objectively looking at healthcare in America knows the system is broken. I submit making historical levels of progress towards the fix will end up being a positive rather than a negative.
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#27190 - 03/05/10 04:39 PM
Re: Abuse of Power
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I appreciate and agree with your sentiment that doing what is right for the people is the noble thing to do, even if it costs politically. Taking one for the team, so to speak. I am in favor of that. But I think the team as a whole needs a steady income before they need health care. They need both, I agree, but the economic needs are immediate and pave the way for greater support for health care.
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#27191 - 03/05/10 04:54 PM
Re: Abuse of Power
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I think the team as a whole needs a steady income before they need health care. They need both, I agree, but the economic needs are immediate and pave the way for greater support for health care. Remember the meme. He has been working on jobs... all along, he has been working on jobs. It seems like some are acting like our smallest children; hide under a blanket and you're "All Gone!" If we don't see it, it must not be happening. It was. It is. So is healthcare.
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#27193 - 03/05/10 05:05 PM
Re: Abuse of Power
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What meme?
The only jobs being created are government jobs and guess who pays for them.
What have we done to prepare ourselves to compete in the world market? The Chinese quickly shot to the top on green technologies. What has our government done in that area to help us? Our infrastructure is crumbling. We pass spending bills but what portion fixes up our bridges, roads and rails?
Our congress and it's leadership from the president cannot claim they are working on jobs for a whole year and not see more results than what we have seen to date. They just can't.
They were working on healthcare and dabbling in other things.
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#27194 - 03/05/10 05:38 PM
Re: Abuse of Power
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The only jobs being created are government jobs and guess who pays for them. I imagine the likes of your former employer, or other outfits working on highway jog funded by stimulus money might be a bit surprised at such a sentiment.
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#27199 - 03/05/10 08:06 PM
Re: Abuse of Power
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I imagine the likes of your former employer, or other outfits working on highway jog funded by stimulus money might be a bit surprised at such a sentiment. You have no idea how bad that business is and has been for quite some time. But after a few more years South of the Border I will forget all the desperate people who wanted jobs that came in daily, desperate subcontractors that were about to lose their businesses and workers who make a third of what they used to and are wondering if they are going to make it. Yes sirree, having just come back from a walk on this beautiful 70 degree night, the world is perfect. Or will be when the reality of the other place leaves me. As far as I know the only stimulus money that made it to Grays Harbor was that bus transfer station that we didn't need.
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#27262 - 03/08/10 08:45 AM
Re: Abuse of Power
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Remember the meme. He has been working on jobs... all along, he has been working on jobs. It seems like some are acting like our smallest children; hide under a blanket and you're "All Gone!" If we don't see it, it must not be happening. It was. It is. So is healthcare.
I'm not saying he hasn't, I'm saying, as far as I can tell, it is not his top priority, health care is. I think he's got it backwards. If you can show me where jobs has been his #1 focus, please do and I will change my tune. I've seen some improvement, sure, but not to the degree he's spouting, especially in the recent article I linked which failed the critical thinking test by a long shot. Until people are back to work, every minute not spent getting them jobs will count against him. I just read the latest Rolling Stone this weekend and they have a couple good articles about it and one of them said the same the exact same thing: every day not spent on jobs is a wasted day. I realize the president has a full plate and can't devote all of his time to jobs or too many other things would crumble, but if he wants to weather this storm he needs to make it his main focus. If it already is, he needs a better marketing team because the public is not getting that impression. That will cost him and put Republicans back in power.
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#27266 - 03/08/10 09:24 AM
Re: Abuse of Power
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I read an article on how bad this really is but cannot find it again. Basically it would take a booming economy just to start employing all those laid off and it would be years until those who lost their jobs would be employed again. Add to that the new people just coming into the job market.....
It is a long hard road ahead of us. People who are desperate for jobs are voting for one thing only, jobs. The fat cats in congress with paychecks coming in don't understand the gravity of it. These are the kinds of times that really bad leaders with big promises get voted in. These are the times where social unrest is only going to be fueled by a government that is not spending enough energy, creative energy on jobs and our competitiveness in this world economy.
I am paying a lot of attention to the Greek financial tragedy. One day we may hear, if you cannot pay your bills give us your parks, or whatever.
We are not doing enough. Healthcare is needed, yes, but it is going to just be an unfunded mandate if we don't have people working. Carts and horses again. We are putting the wrong one in front.
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