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#27203 - 03/05/10 10:38 PM A Complete Lack Of Real Journalism [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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I would add that the story does not note any attempt to get comments from the three council members in question, and does not raise the question of who among the council members that did vote might have voted against the measure.

Note also that I do not blame Jacob and Steven for this; this is clearly a failure of the editorial team.


Edited by Beavis H. Christ (03/05/10 10:38 PM)

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#27204 - 03/05/10 10:38 PM Re: This, I Think, Is An Example Of Real Jounalism [Re: Turnow]
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Originally Posted By: Turnow
my point wasn't as to the right or wrong of the councilpersons.


I didn't think it was. But, I know how some Hoquiam folk can get.
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#27205 - 03/05/10 10:46 PM Re: This, I Think, Is An Example Of Real Jounalism [Re: Tux]
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I live in Hoquiam and own 3 rentals in addition to our home. And I totally disagree. I think it should be a property tax, not a separate ambulance tax. But, then again, I'm all for progressive taxation. Obviously, we disagree on that.

The people didn't say we can't afford the levy. The majority voted for the levy. Just one vote short of receiving the required 60% super-majority.
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#27206 - 03/05/10 10:47 PM Re: This, I Think, Is An Example Of Real Jounalism [Re: Turnow]
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Originally Posted By: Turnow
It had been my impression during the later Hughes years that the reporting of local elected officials had pretty much a lap dog.


Really? Are we reading the same TDW?
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#27207 - 03/05/10 10:53 PM Re: This, I Think, Is An Example Of Real Jounalism [Re: funkycamper]
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I think since the new Publisher came in, the paper turned tabloidal... "slash and bash". I suppose Rush thinks it sells papers and more power to him, but how are those paper sales going? There is reporting and there is FAUX News. I think there are some good stories. But, there is a lot of crap, too; far more than there ever used to be.

I have this vision of a reporter coming into the office with a story... a good story about good government and the Editor (or Publisher) yelling, "Get out of here with this drivel! Get me some dirt. We have papers to sell, you twit!"
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#27208 - 03/06/10 12:08 AM Re: A Complete Lack Of Real Journalism [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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None of the three council members returned multiple requests for comment through phone and e-mail.


Must have been reading a different article than I was.

Not being a journalist, but a consumer of journalism, I found the article to be very good. Maybe it isn't real journalism, but I appreciate articles that point out things that may be of real concern to those that want a better community. Does the blame for levy failure fall on those 3 council members? No, there's a bigger picture. BUT, it is important to note that every vote counts and that it is highly likely that those 3 members would have voted yes, especially since 2 of them had voted to put the measure on the ballot.
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#27211 - 03/06/10 07:00 AM Re: A Complete Lack Of Real Journalism [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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I would add that the story does not note any attempt to get comments from the three council members in question, and does not raise the question of who among the council members that did vote might have voted against the measure.


From the report.

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None of the three council members returned multiple requests for comment through phone and e-mail.


My point isn't the passage of the levy, it is three city councilpersons who chose to not vote. I think elected officials who can't be bothered voting aren't qualified to serve.


Edited by Turnow (03/06/10 07:49 AM)
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#27212 - 03/06/10 08:59 AM Re: This, I Think, Is An Example Of Real Jounalism [Re: StevenFriederich]
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So Steven, what's your address and date of birth? Google wants to know.


Edited by Lumberjack (03/06/10 09:01 AM)
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#27214 - 03/06/10 09:29 AM Re: A Complete Lack Of Real Journalism [Re: Turnow]
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Originally Posted By: Turnow


None of the three council members returned multiple requests for comment through phone and e-mail.


Mea Culpa. The major point still stands.

Originally Posted By: Turnow
My point isn't the passage of the levy, it is three city councilpersons who chose to not vote. I think elected officials who can't be bothered voting aren't qualified to serve.


And we don't know if they "couldn't be bothered" or if some other circumstance intervened. And it's nobody's business anyway, especially in the context of this non-story, which clearly creates the impression that the levy failed by two votes because three Hoquiam councilmembers failed to return their ballots.

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#27219 - 03/06/10 10:25 AM Re: A Complete Lack Of Real Journalism [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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Originally Posted By: Beavis H. Christ

And we don't know if they "couldn't be bothered" or if some other circumstance intervened. And it's nobody's business anyway, especially in the context of this non-story, which clearly creates the impression that the levy failed by two votes because three Hoquiam councilmembers failed to return their ballots.


Hmmm, well I do think elected officials actions directly relating to legislative activities is the people's business and the fact that elected leaders fail to vote on a critical ballot measure they themselves sent to the public is a story regardless of the outcome of that measure. The fact that the measure failed by two votes is incidental in the base determination of whether this is a valid story. I would agree that HOW people vote by secret ballot is nobody's business.

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