#27284 - 03/08/10 05:26 PM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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I thought Canadians were smarter than that. They were just expressing their thanks for the $500,000,000 she gave them when she was governor.
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#27287 - 03/08/10 08:35 PM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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Medicine Hat News reports on a speech Sarah Palin gave in Calgary (tickets as low as $150), where a folksy monologue took a shocking turn — an admission about how her family once received health care.
We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada. And I think now, isn’t that ironic.
Palin, born in Idaho, lived in Wasilla, Alaska for most of her life. The nearest city in Canada, Whitehorse, is a 15 hour drive away. Anchorage is only 45 minutes away. ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Sarah Palin has been no friend lately of socialized health care.
She has criticized Canada's system, saying it should be dismantled in favor of free enterprise. And she has denounced President Barack Obama's health plan as being socialized medicine.
But during a weekend speech in Calgary, the former Republican vice presidential candidate acknowledged her family used medical care in Whitehorse, the capital of Canada's Yukon Territory, decades ago.
Palin was born in 1964 in Idaho and moved to the rural southeast Alaska town of Skagway as an infant.
"My first five years of life we spent in Skagway, Alaska, right there by Whitehorse," Palin said during her Saturday night speech at Calgary's BMO Centre, part of the Fraser institute's influential speakers program.
"Believe it or not - this was in the '60s - we used to hustle on over the border for health care that we would receive in Whitehorse. I remember my brother, he burned his ankle in some little kid accident thing, and my parents had to put him on a train and rush him over to Whitehorse, and I think, isn't that kind of ironic now. Zooming over the border, getting health care from Canada."
Palin's father said Monday they had little choice, given their location in Skagway.
"There was no road out of there at that time," said retired teacher Chuck Heath, reached by phone in Wasilla. "The ferry schedule was very erratic. We had no doctor in Skagway. The plane schedule was very erratic. The winds dictated whether the planes could come in or not."
Palin's health care history, even when she was a child, is of interest because of her criticism of Obama and other Democrats working on U.S. health care.
Palin has been a frequent critic of big government and socialized health care, a seeming contradiction for someone whose family once took advantage of it in Whitehorse.
Palin in August called Obama's health plan "downright evil" in a Facebook posting and said he would create a "death panel" that would deny care to the neediest Americans. Democrats including Obama have dismissed that as a distortion.
Palin's father said his family probably boarded the train for the Whitehorse hospital only twice - once when a daughter had rheumatic fever, and once when his son, also named Chuck, severely burned his leg and an infection set in.
"We much preferred to use our facilities because my insurance didn't cover anything in Whitehorse. And even though they have socialized medicine, I still had to pay the bill, being an American citizen," Heath said.
Heath worked part-time for the White Pass & Yukon Railroad and had a pass allowing him and his family to ride for free.
The train in the 1960s often was the only option for getting to a doctor, Skagway Mayor Tom Cochran said.
There's now a road to Whitehorse about 112 miles away, but people still take advantage of Whitehorse dentists or doctors rather than flying to Alaska's capital, Juneau, 90 miles to the south.
"If you can't fly to Juneau - and a lot of times you can't, especially in the winter - they're going to get you to a medical treatment facility if it's an emergency, and that's normally where Whitehorse comes into play," Cochran said.
Cochran has lived in Skagway since 1968 and his family knew the Heaths. His own child needed help a decade ago.
"It was probably 10 years ago, anyway, two of my kids were in a four-wheeler accident, and one of them was hurt pretty badly, so we medevaced them to Whitehorse via ambulance," he said. "It's usually emergency situations when people go up there."
Palin aide Jason Recher did not immediately return an e-mail seeking comment from the former governor. Skagway to Anchorage = 800 miles Skagway to Whitehorse = 112 miles
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#27289 - 03/08/10 08:55 PM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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Even before reading Iky's rebuttal, I thought "anybody that thinks this is an 'aha!' doesn't understand Alaska." Of course, that, and she didn't always live in Wasilla. Of course it's not an "aha!". The family should be commended for bravely accepting medical care from the evil socialist death panels.
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#27290 - 03/08/10 09:10 PM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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Skagway to Anchorage = 800 miles
Skagway to Whitehorse = 112 miles
Idiot and liar to conclusive proof of utter hypocrisy = one speech.
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#27291 - 03/08/10 09:23 PM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
[Re: harborknight]
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Even before reading Iky's rebuttal, I thought "anybody that thinks this is an 'aha!' doesn't understand Alaska." Of course, that, and she didn't always live in Wasilla. That, and who has any knowledge of health care systems, let alone any say in family medical decisions, when they are 6-8-10 years old?
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#27293 - 03/08/10 09:32 PM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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I think the issue is more the fact that they got the health care they needed when they needed it. And I didn't read any complaints about the treatment being sub-par.
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#27294 - 03/08/10 09:58 PM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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That was 40 years ago...and they paid for their medical care.
40 years ago my family doctor was still making house calls.
Things have changed with both health care systems.
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#27296 - 03/09/10 06:53 AM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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Yes, I realized they paid for it as they weren't Canadian citizens paying into the system.
It would be interesting to know if Alaskans who can get to a Canadian doctor/hospital easier than an American one, still do so.
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#27350 - 03/11/10 12:37 PM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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"If you can't fly to Juneau - and a lot of times you can't, especially in the winter - they're going to get you to a medical treatment facility if it's an emergency, and that's normally where Whitehorse comes into play," Cochran said.
Cochran has lived in Skagway since 1968 and his family knew the Heaths. His own child needed help a decade ago.
"It was probably 10 years ago, anyway, two of my kids were in a four-wheeler accident, and one of them was hurt pretty badly, so we medevaced them to Whitehorse via ambulance," he said. "It's usually emergency situations when people go up there."
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#27354 - 03/11/10 04:48 PM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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"If you can't fly to Juneau - and a lot of times you can't, especially in the winter - they're going to get you to a medical treatment facility if it's an emergency, and that's normally where Whitehorse comes into play," Cochran said.
Cochran has lived in Skagway since 1968 and his family knew the Heaths. His own child needed help a decade ago.
"It was probably 10 years ago, anyway, two of my kids were in a four-wheeler accident, and one of them was hurt pretty badly, so we medevaced them to Whitehorse via ambulance," he said. "It's usually emergency situations when people go up there." Wait--I thought people in Canada had to wait in long lines for health care, even if it was an emergency! You mean they have TWO tracks, one for urgent care and one for non-urgent? Uh...isn't that what single-payer advocates who cite the Canadian system have been saying ALL ALONG?
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#27364 - 03/11/10 09:18 PM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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Non-urgent is a relative term, especially if you're waiting a month or more for a possible cancer diagnosis.
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#27368 - 03/12/10 08:26 AM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
[Re: ikayak]
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Since I've known people in the US who have medical insurance and have waited longer than that just to get their appointment for their tests, your statement makes me no sense to me. I've known people with insurance who have waited 2-5 months for various life-saving procedures right here in the good, old USA.
Of course, if you don't have insurance, this is all moot because you're going to be waiting much longer for that diagnosis in this country, if ever.
And don't even get me started on a recent experience of my FIL where local doctors and hospital staff basically said he was at the end of his life and would probably just die and who, after moving to an out-of-town hospital and actually getting aggressive treatment for the condition is now finally home and doing fine.
I think you sincerely believe that people in this country always get great care with little wait or fuss. Sorry but that's just not accurate.
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#27370 - 03/12/10 09:38 AM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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You speak from personal experience.
My personal experience has been the exact opposite.
The latest being a few months ago when I took my daughter into ER at 6:00 am and by 10:00 am she was in surgery with the top gyn surgeon in the Harbor.
My neighbor went to her doctor with complaints one day, the next she was seeing a specialist, and within a week had begun treatment for cancer. She's now cancer free.
I can recount many instances of outstanding care.
Your experience is foreign to me, as apparently mine is to you.
Thank God your FIL had the option of seeking a second opinion without having to petition permission from a government oversite panel, and was able to choose and obtain the aggressive treatment for his condition.
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#27371 - 03/12/10 09:46 AM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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I can recount many instances of outstanding care.
So can Sarah Palin. In Canada.
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#27372 - 03/12/10 09:50 AM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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Twice. At age 5 and under. 40 years ago.
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#27373 - 03/12/10 09:52 AM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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Twice. At age 5 and under.
Yeah, everything has changed in Canada since she grew up and became a Republican.
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#27374 - 03/12/10 09:56 AM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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Yup. Things change in 40+ years.
You are straining this to a point past being ridiculous.
What father would hesitate to take their child to the nearest accessible hospital when they fear their child's life is in danger?
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#27377 - 03/12/10 10:58 AM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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What father would hesitate to take their child to the nearest accessible hospital when they fear their child's life is in danger? Apparently you don't get out much. Unfortunately, there are far too many fathers, and mothers, in our society that don't devote as much concern and care for their children as they do their cell phone. You must have been talking about reasonable fathers.
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#27378 - 03/12/10 11:01 AM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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What father would hesitate to take their child to the nearest accessible hospital when they fear their child's life is in danger?
Perhaps one who feared his child would have to face "socialist government bureaucrats" and even "death panels"?
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#27379 - 03/12/10 11:06 AM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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Yes: loving, caring, reasonable, responsible fathers. It was a rhetorical question.
Through church, career, and community service and situations, I am well aware of the existing deficit of loving, caring, reasonable, and responsible fathers.
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#27381 - 03/12/10 11:09 AM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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Perhaps one who feared his child would have to face "socialist government bureaucrats" and even "death panels"? You're going to give yourself a hernia.
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#27383 - 03/12/10 11:26 AM
Re: Palin got health care in Canada
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Perhaps one who feared his child would have to face "socialist government bureaucrats" and even "death panels"? You're going to give yourself a hernia. Good thing we're in the good ol' USA, as opposed to Canada, where emergencies are dealt with...uh...immediately.
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