#27297 - 03/09/10 08:14 AM
Fire Bad Teachers
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Newsweek has a good article on what is wrong with our schools. New math, open classrooms was a bust. But one thing that should have been obvious is: Yet in recent years researchers have discovered something that may seem obvious, but for many reasons was overlooked or denied. What really makes a difference, what matters more than the class size or the textbook, the teaching method or the technology, or even the curriculum, is the quality of the teacher. Much of the ability to teach is innate—an ability to inspire young minds as well as control unruly classrooms that some people instinctively possess (and some people definitely do not). Teaching can be taught, to some degree, but not the way many graduate schools of education do it, with a lot of insipid or marginally relevant theorizing and pedagogy. In any case the research shows that within about five years, you can generally tell who is a good teacher and who is not.
It is also true and unfortunate that often the weakest teachers are relegated to teaching the neediest students, poor minority kids in inner-city schools. For these children, teachers can be make or break. "The research shows that kids who have two, three, four strong teachers in a row will eventually excel, no matter what their background, while kids who have even two weak teachers in a row will never recover," says Kati Haycock of the Education Trust and coauthor of the 2006 study "Teaching Inequality: How Poor and Minority Students Are Shortchanged on Teacher Quality." The article, entitled Why we must fire bad teachers, emphasizes that Nothing, then, is more important than hiring good teachers and firing bad ones. which, of course, cannot be done with teachers unions. Now for the promising note: The teachers' unions—the National Education Association (3.2 million members) and the American Federation of Teachers (1.4 million members) are major players in the Democratic Party at the national and local levels. So it is extremely significant—a sign of the changing times—that the Obama administration has taken them on. This, if he pulls it off, is a significant step to putting the US on track to win on the world stage. I am encouraged. We have had threads on this topic before. Some object and blame other things for our school's failures but every one of us has had a teacher that inspired. Imagine if all you had were teachers that inspire. The story concludes: teachers are overworked, underpaid, and underappreciated. Maybe they'd get more respect if the truly bad teachers were let go.
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#27304 - 03/09/10 12:03 PM
Re: Fire Bad Teachers
[Re: MonteMark]
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If unions were smart they all would demand only the best but unions are there to protect their membership first. In public education that is disastrous. In fairness, what do they measure success and failure with? If there is not some rigid standard getting rid of teachers for the wrong reasons would be too easy.
It is a problem we need to solve.
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#27307 - 03/09/10 01:54 PM
Re: Fire Bad Teachers
[Re: MonteMark]
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If the teacher unions were smart, they would demand to police their own rank and file. Then they'd be professional societies, not unions. Anyway, the Professional Educator Standards Board already has the job.
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#27343 - 03/11/10 05:54 AM
Re: Fire Bad Teachers
[Re: MonteMark]
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Much, much more on this interesting solution in The NYT. When researchers ran the numbers in dozens of different studies, every factor under a school’s control produced just a tiny impact, except for one: which teacher the student had been assigned to. Some teachers could regularly lift their students’ test scores above the average for children of the same race, class and ability level. Others’ students left with below-average results year after year. William Sanders, a statistician studying Tennessee teachers with a colleague, found that a student with a weak teacher for three straight years would score, on average, 50 percentile points behind a similar student with a strong teacher for those years. Teachers working in the same building, teaching the same grade, produced very different outcomes. And the gaps were huge. Eric Hanushek, a Stanford economist, found that while the top 5 percent of teachers were able to impart a year and a half’s worth of learning to students in one school year, as judged by standardized tests, the weakest 5 percent advanced their students only half a year of material each year.
This record encouraged a belief in some people that good teaching must be purely instinctive, a kind of magic performed by born superstars. As Jane Hannaway, the director of the Education Policy Center at the Urban Institute and a former teacher, put it to me, successful teaching depends in part on a certain inimitable “voodoo.” You either have it or you don’t. “I think that there is an innate drive or innate ability for teaching,” Sylvia Gist, the dean of the college of education at Chicago State University, said when I visited her campus last year.
“If we don’t change the personnel,” he said, “all we’re doing is changing the chairs.”
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Three years before, a report from a presidential commission declared the nation to be “at risk” because of underperforming schools, citing dipping test scores and frightening illiteracy. “Our own professional schools are part of the problem,” the Holmes Group’s report declared. This is an interesting, if long, read about the failures of our teaching professionals. Also interesting is how the good teachers control their classrooms.
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#27395 - 03/12/10 02:37 PM
Re: Fire Bad Teachers
[Re: MonteMark]
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I think the hiring practices for teachers should be as rigorous as it is for police. You've obviouly never been through it. Other than the polygraph and the psych they have many similarities.
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#27404 - 03/12/10 04:06 PM
Re: Fire Bad Teachers
[Re: MWMI]
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I think the hiring practices for teachers should be as rigorous as it is for police. You've obviouly never been through it. Other than the polygraph and the psych they have many similarities. Since you seem to know about these things, is it easier to get rid of a bad teacher or to get rid of a bad cop? I have no idea about getting rid of a bad cop, but I've heard it's extremely difficult to get rid of a bad teacher.
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#27406 - 03/12/10 04:44 PM
Re: Fire Bad Teachers
[Re: MWMI]
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Other than the polygraph and the psych they have many similarities. Do teachers have to pass physical fitness tests now?
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#27430 - 03/13/10 02:04 PM
Re: Fire Bad Teachers
[Re: Wally B]
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Other than the polygraph and the psych they have many similarities. Do teachers have to pass physical fitness tests now? And firearms training 
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