Are the Teabaggers conservative, or not? Dick Armey--conservative, or not? You said one of the things that make you wonder about Barack Obama is his reading Saul Alinsky, and yet the people you endlessly defend, to the point of claiming they are "more honest and ethical", are also "disciples" of Saul Alinsky.

I know you don't believe truth is relative, Iky. You have no interest in the truth whatsoever, in fact.

Is that what I said?
Guess again.

*sigh*

OK, Iky, last time I repeat you to yourself.



Let me guess--in the universe in which Jesus is a warmonger who heartily approves of the accumulation of vast wealth, this actually means something entirely different...from what it actually says.

I said he was a student of Alinsky.
He wasn't some casual reader.
He taught Alinsky ideology.
The picture of him chalkboarding Alinsky's Power Analysis is not a state secret.

OK, I'm asking you to please explain, in more than a stock smug one-liner, where you draw the line between casual reader and student.

In this thread there is evidence that Obama has read and applied Alinsky.

In this thread there is evidence that Tea Party leaders have read and applied Alinsky.

I see you giving conservatives a pass while holding Obama's feet to the fire. Can you make a rational explanation of why, since both appear to be reading and applying the book's methods?

Can one be just a casual reader when they are both using the book in practical application? And I'm not asking you to state the obvious... "There's a big difference between educating yourself about the ideology and methods Alinsky advocated, i.e. know your enemies-know yourself (paraphrasing Sun Tzu), and putting Alinsky's "lessons" into practice."

I'm asking you to please explain how what the Tea Party does with the book is different than what Obama does with it.

Your asking for well reasoned justified answers as opposed to sound bites and insults. You might be waiting awhile.

*...crickets chirping...*

Well, Iky, we're waiting.

mdean has a perfectly legit question for you to answer. And go...

Iky only posts here when he's off his meds.

Real nice sound bite and insult, MWMI.

JFTR, I'm not about to take you yahoos along on either business trips or vacations.
This board does not make my priority list in either circumstance.



I wanted to refrain from using the trigger word "disciple", however if that gets my meaning across more clearly, then substitute it for "student."

I read Alinsky throughout the years to see what he was about, what he advocated; and then again to see where one of his disciples, Hillary Clinton, was coming from. (See her Wellesley thesis, There is Only the Fight: An Analysis of the Alinsky Model, which interestingly was kept a State secret during "the Clinton years".)

Hence, the difference between a reader of Alinsky and a student/disciple of Alinsky.



Read my post again. I don't give anyone a pass for using or advocating Alinsky's ideology or methods. I believe Alinsky's methods to be destructive.



No. However, I believe there are many non-readers who do what their "leaders" or "organizers" tell them to do without knowing the origin of impetus or ideology behind it.



According to Alinsky, the difference is who has "power", which Alinsky claims is "the very essence of life." Who has the power, mdean? Obama will remind you that he does.

When someone has been given much, much will be required in return; and when someone has been entrusted with much, even more will be required. ~ Jesus