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#28661 - 04/30/10 08:53 AM Defending the Constitution?
Beavis H. Christ Offline
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I note a complete absence of outrage on the part of our allegedly "strict constructionalist, original-intent Constitutionalist" Republican and Teabagger friends here concerning the racist and blatantly unconstitutional activities of the Arizona Legislature. Could it be that Republibaggers are, really, truly, racist hypocrites? Inquiring minds want to know.

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#28666 - 04/30/10 09:50 AM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
Bogus_bill Offline
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I take two sides on this. First, they are wrong to be asking for ID from anyone that looks Hispanic. And they know they are wrong. One sheriff simply says he will not enforce it.

The second side is that that I believe in states rights and when the US government cannot get it together to pass some kind of immigration laws that are fair, what is a state to do? Several other states are looking at passing similar laws.

It is pretty easy in the state of Washington where cartels aren't killing people (Phoenix is getting almost as scary as Mexican border towns) to not appreciate the Arizona problems and to criticize. Laws like this are born of frustration. The US government needs to take the lead on this and secure our borders from illegals while making it easier to legally go to and from the USA.
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#28681 - 04/30/10 07:28 PM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
ikayak Offline
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Originally Posted By: Beavis H. Christ
I note a complete absence of outrage on the part of our allegedly "strict constructionalist, original-intent Constitutionalist" Republican and Teabagger friends here concerning the racist and blatantly unconstitutional activities of the Arizona Legislature. Could it be that Republibaggers are, really, truly, racist hypocrites? Inquiring minds want to know.


::eyeroll::

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/30/arizona.immigration.law.changes/
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#28683 - 04/30/10 08:38 PM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
Bogus_bill Offline
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Who can blame Arizona for trying to protect themselves from this sort of thing. Our government has to do better for the border states.

Quote:
A sheriff's deputy was shot and wounded Friday after encountering a group of suspected illegal immigrants who apparently had been hauling bales of marijuana along a major smuggling corridor in the Arizona desert — a violent episode that comes amid a heated national debate over immigration.

State and federal law enforcement agencies deployed helicopters and scores of officers in pursuit of the suspects after the deputy was shot with an AK-47 on Friday afternoon. The officer had a chunk of skin torn from just above his left kidney, but the wound was not serious and he was doing fine.

The shooting was likely to add fuel to an already fiery national debate sparked last week by the signing of an Arizona law aimed at cracking down on illegal immigration in the state.

The deputy was found in the desert Friday afternoon — after a frantic hourlong search — suffering from a gunshot wound from an AK-47, Pinal County sheriff's Lt. Tamatha Villar said. He was flown by helicopter to a hospital in Casa Grande, about 40 miles south of Phoenix.

Villar said the deputy had been performing smuggling interdiction work before finding the bales of marijuana and encountering the five suspected illegal immigrants, two armed with rifles.

"He was out on his routine daily patrol in the area when he encountered a load of marijuana out in the desert. He obviously confronted the individuals and took fire," Villar told The Associated Press. "I was speaking with him just a bit ago, and he's doing fantastic."

The deputy was alone about five miles from a rest stop along Interstate 8, about halfway between Phoenix and Tucson. The area is a well-known smuggling corridor for drugs and illegal immigrants headed from Mexico to Phoenix and the U.S. interior.
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#28684 - 04/30/10 08:47 PM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: Bogus_bill]
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Frustrating? I'm sure. Should laws be enforced? Of course. But it needs to remain constitutional. Requiring ID of anyone who could be suspicious reminds me of two things, both from the '80s. First, South Africa's apartheid required blacks to carry ID. The second is Cheech Marin's Born in East L.A.

Of course, if a law enforcement agency does not enforce this new law, it can legally be sued under it by any citizen that so chooses. Disgusting.
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#28685 - 04/30/10 09:47 PM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: Bogus_bill]
Beavis H. Christ Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bogus_bill

[quote]A sheriff's deputy was shot and wounded Friday after encountering a group of suspected illegal immigrants who apparently had been hauling bales of marijuana along a major smuggling corridor in the Arizona desert — a violent episode that comes amid a heated national debate over immigration.


They haven't caught the shooter--but they "know" he was an illegal alien?

Why do I suspect that every crime committed in Arizona for the next several months by any nonwhite is going to involve a "suspected illegal alien"?

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#28687 - 04/30/10 09:54 PM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: ikayak]
Beavis H. Christ Offline
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Originally Posted By: ikayak

::eyeroll::


As in being white, you don't care.

Arizona lawmakers target ethnic studies programs

Russell Pearce, primary sponsor of Arizona's "show me your papers, brown person" law, with a friend:



Here's a shot of Russell's friend, J.T. Ready, at another political function a few weeks later--smiling at the camera!


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#28690 - 05/01/10 12:26 AM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
ikayak Offline
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As in being white, you don't care.


As in knowing a few law enforcement officers, local included, I generally trust them to uphold the law in a lawful manner.
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#28692 - 05/01/10 07:36 AM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
Bogus_bill Offline
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The Mexican cartels violence has spilled over the borders making parts of Arizona a drug battleground. If the police did not suspect illegals in this area they wouldn't be very good police since experience has shown them time and time again who does the smuggling.
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#28693 - 05/01/10 07:38 AM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: harborknight]
Wally B Offline
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Originally Posted By: harborknight
Frustrating? ...if a law enforcement agency does not enforce this new law, it can legally be sued under it by any citizen that so chooses.


Sounds like full employment for AZ lawyers. Interesting concept, though. Would gsdlover like to sue the Aberdeen police for failure to enforce the stop sign law?

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