It's funny how many of the same folks decrying the expansion of government authority, relative to the health insurance/care reform legislation, have no problem with expanding government authority to require police to stop folks and demand they produce their "papers".

Of course, then again, the only folks the police will be demanding "papers" of will be the swarthy types. So why worry about the great expansion of government authority contained in the AZ law?

The hypocrisy is astounding, and the bigotry is sickening.

Anyone looking like 70% of the FBI's most wanted for murder page should get a closer look, or law enforcement is not doing their job.

Grand Dragon Iky has spoken: Racism, in his view, is an acceptable basis for law enforcement.

Actually YOU are wrong. The law says, specifically, "any lawful contact." It's lawful for cops to talk to citizens at random.

From Wikipeida



In other words, to be sure you get the point, the FBI's ten most wanted list has nothing, nothing at all, to do with requiring police to stop folks and demand their papers.

So all I am able to find with which to respond to your inane remark is - fish.

It doesn't bother me that illegal aliens may be arrested or deported. They are breaking the law already. What bothers me is that U.S. citizens will need to keep documentation on their prescence to show that they aren't illegal aliens. U.S. citizens are already deported mistakenly and illegally. What are the safeguards to prevent that from happening under this law?

BTW, I wonder how many people on this board realize that ICE can setup checkpoints anywhere within 100 miles of an international border, including the Pacific Ocean and Puget Sound?

Driving from Merida, Yucatan Mexico to GHC in 2006 I was stopped at check points on both sides of the border. At Mexican checkpoints I was normally asked to open the back cover of my little pickup truck for the authorities to take a look.

At the USA checkpoints, one of which was on an Interstate highway, as soon as they saw I am Caucasian I was waved through, without a look in the back of my truck. Meanwhile the swarthy types were waved over for closer scrutiny.

Nor was I asked by USA authorities to open the back of my truck at the Brownsville border crossing when entering the USA.

Nope, you are wrong.
The word "contact" has been removed,
and among other changes, these words have been added:

"in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this state"



psst...they're talking about you, Beaver

As I said, I carry mine at all times.
I don't find it to be a hardship at all.
It's just the sensible thing to do these days.
In case you hadn't noticed, we are not living in a perfect world.
Bye-bye Miss American Pie.
But hey!!! Healthcare for everyone!!! wOOt!

For any lawful contact stop, detention or arrest made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this state

"Yew got a burnt out tail light, boy. *smash* Guess I need to see them papers."

"Yew was jaywalking, boy, lemme see yer papers."

I'm SO reassured.

Let us also note what was NOT altered in any way:

"Allows a law enforcement officer, without a warrant, to arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S."

I.e. you look like an illegal alien to me. Up against the wall.

Racism is so unattractive.