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#29020 - 05/11/10 01:17 PM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: ikayak]
Turnow Offline
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"We the people of the United States, in order...." defines the powers of the government as originating from the people of the United States.



OK, being apparent that you don't know what the preamble to the Constitution says, I'll do you the favor.

"We the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,...."

You may deny it all you wish, but all of we the people of the USA are a union.

Did we drop a couple of H bombs on Japan? Using your perverted logic, it was only President Truman, other government officials, and those who flew the planes and dropped the bombs.

Do you work at saying ridiculous things or is it a natural predisposition?
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#29021 - 05/11/10 05:05 PM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: Turnow]
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Originally Posted By: Turnow
OK, being apparent that you don't know what the preamble to the Constitution says, I'll do you the favor.

"We the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,...."

You may deny it all you wish, but all of we the people of the USA are a union.

Did we drop a couple of H bombs on Japan? Using your perverted logic, it was only President Truman, other government officials, and those who flew the planes and dropped the bombs.

Do you work at saying ridiculous things or is it a natural predisposition?




Scroll down the link.

The meaning of the Preamble text has not changed.

That meaning would be the one I posted.

Deny it all you wish,
and/or take it up with the US Senate.


http://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm


I'll take the high road and refrain from insult.

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#29024 - 05/11/10 05:47 PM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: ikayak]
Beavis H. Christ Offline
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Originally Posted By: ikayak


I'll take the high road and refrain from insult.



Iky disagrees with you, Turnow, therefore you are not a real American, or at least one of "we, the people."

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#29035 - 05/11/10 11:07 PM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: ikayak]
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I can't help but wonder how many of those original "We the People" folks were engaged in what would now be considered illegal drug activity? It wouldn't be fair to judge them for that, of course, but I don't think they were particularly against drugs.
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#29042 - 05/12/10 01:17 PM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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Iky disagrees with you, Turnow, therefore you are not a real American, or at least one of "we, the people."


Start preparing the deportation papers. Oh wait, I've already deported myself.
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#29043 - 05/12/10 03:32 PM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: harborknight]
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Originally Posted By: harborknight
I can't help but wonder how many of those original "We the People" folks were engaged in what would now be considered illegal drug activity? It wouldn't be fair to judge them for that, of course, but I don't think they were particularly against drugs.


There is evidence that George Washington was a pot smoker.

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#29044 - 05/12/10 03:51 PM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: harborknight]
Turnow Offline
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I can't help but wonder how many of those original "We the People" folks were engaged in what would now b considered illegal drug activity? It wouldn't be fair to judge them for that, of course, but I don't think they were particularly against drugs.


They were also engaged in what are now considered terrorist acts.

Sorry, I forgot for a moment that to the end justifies the means folks there are good terrorists and bad terrorists.
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#29045 - 05/13/10 12:40 PM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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Originally Posted By: Beavis H. Christ
Originally Posted By: harborknight
I can't help but wonder how many of those original "We the People" folks were engaged in what would now be considered illegal drug activity? It wouldn't be fair to judge them for that, of course, but I don't think they were particularly against drugs.


There is evidence that George Washington was a pot smoker.



And at age 11 he owned 10 slaves; at his death, over 300...so guess who cultivated and harvested his hemp crop.
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#29046 - 05/13/10 01:25 PM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: ikayak]
Turnow Offline
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And at age 11 he owned 10 slaves; at his death, over 300...so guess who cultivated and harvested his hemp crop.


What is the point of your non sequitur? That George Washington shouldn't be considered one of "We the people" because he kept slaves?


Edited by Turnow (05/13/10 01:31 PM)
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#29047 - 05/13/10 02:50 PM Re: Defending the Constitution? [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak

And at age 11 he owned 10 slaves; at his death, over 300...so guess who cultivated and harvested his hemp crop.



Who smoked it?

There are letters still in existence written by Washington to his gardener while Washington was on campaign with the Continental Army. In them, Washington reminds the gardener to separate the male and female plants.

There's no reason to separate the plants by sex if you are just growing hemp for fiber. The only reason to separate the plants by sex is that unfertilized female plants yield buds with the highest concentration of THC; in other words, they're more potent for smoking.

Yep--the father of our country was a pothead.

But that would make him not a real American in your eyes, right, Iky?

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