Point out to me in the parable of the Good Samaritan where Jesus says you should only care for people who believe as you do.



What's the Santayana quote? They who forget history are doomed to repeat it?

We should remember every atrocity precisely because it prevents more atrocities.




So let's forget about the torture and death of Jesus, then.

Hey, if I find KSM lying on the side of my street, beaten to a bloody pulp, I'll put him on a donkey and take him up the road, straight to Rick Scott's house for care. Promise. BTW, my tax dollars are already paying for KSM's bed, clothing, Koran, prayer rug, food, medical care, and Game Boy.



There's a difference between remembering history and picking and choosing which history to harp on merely as a political party weapon of score-keeping.

And no, remembering past atrocities has not prevented wars, massacres, genocides, torture, and other atrocities throughout history.



You are the one that keeps bringing it up.
I concentrate on Christ's Atonement, Bodily Resurrection, and Ascension into Heaven.
Anyone can be tortured to death.

Otherwise, you're under no obligation as a Christian?

That's new and novel. I've never heard anyone say a Christian can ignore the plight of people he knows are being mistreated because it's not happening right in front of him. I also don't recall Jesus saying "love your enemies unless they really, really hate you"...rather the opposite, in fact.

Sorry, Iky. Despite what you may think, Jesus would not have fit in with and approved of the prison guards at Abu Ghraib...or Guantanamo...or the Lubyanka...or Buchenwald, for that matter.

When one suffers, all suffer.

Life is suffering. Suffering is more than physical or even emotional pain. Torture creates suffering for both the tortured and the torturer.

But there is a way out of suffering.

Funny, I don't recall scripture verses where Jesus condemned the Romans for the atrocities they were committing against their prisoners.

Cite them for me.

Or maybe their lashings and crucifixions were not torturous.

Or maybe Jesus was not someone who was into condemnation, and preferred teaching with positive examples, like...

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Matthew 5:7

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. Matthew 5:39



Perhaps he was even following his own advice from the very first verse of Matthew 7. He did, on the other hand, counsel his own followers against the way of violence in no uncertain terms (Matthew 26:52), and told a bunch of soldiers they should "do violence to no man" (Luke 3:14).

Then of course there's Luke 6:36 ("Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful"), Romans 12:19-21, the verses go on and on and on and on.

I Thessalonians 5:15 "See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men."

2Timothy 2:24 "And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,"

Titus 3:2-4 "To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another."

...sounds to me like you need that last one most of all, Iky. What is an advocate of torture except "living in malice...hateful, and hating one another"?

I would note also that in the most famous sermons of Jesus, he uses, again, positive examples. He doesn't say "damned are the warmongers." He says "blessed are the peacemakers."

That's the kind of guy Jesus was.

Rom 13:1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

Rom 13:2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.

Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;

Rom 13:4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.

So your God loves torture? Your God approves of torture?

Jesus clearly didn't, but whatever, sicko.

At least the Aztecs had the decency to not pretend theirs was a god of mercy and love.

Not bothering to look up the verse, but didn't Jesus pray to God, the Father, "forgive them for they know not what they do" about those who were crucifying him, stabbed him in his side, and gambled for his robe? Does that sound like God the Avenger? Not to me.

God had hidden the truth about His Son from those who crucified Him. Someone had to crucify Jesus in order for scripture to be fulfilled and Christ's Bride to be redeemed. So yes, Jesus prayed for them to be forgiven the act because they did not know what they were doing at the time. It was only fair, don't you think?

So are you saying that you believe KSM did not know what he was doing when he beheaded Daniel Pearl, masterminded 9/11, or any of the other many terrorist atrocities against mankind he has committed?