#29945 - 07/03/10 10:30 AM
Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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Pooh-Bah
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I really don't know what to make of this. In fact, I chose not to bring this subject up until now when the Portland Police Department re-opened the case: story link. Portland, Oregon , police have decided to reopen the investigation into a 54-year-old masseuse's allegations that former Vice President Al Gore sexually assaulted her in his hotel room in 2006.
Massage therapist Molly Haggerty claims Gore "pinned" her and assaulted her."The Portland Police Bureau has made the decision to re-open the case regarding the allegations brought forward against Mr. Al Gore," a statement posted on the Portland Police Bureau's website this evening said.
"Consistent with our policy regarding open investigations, the Police Bureau will not be commenting on any additional specifics regarding this case at this time," it said.
A family spokeswoman said today that the Gores welcomed the new investigation.
"Further investigation into this matter will only benefit Mr. Gore," Kalee Kreider said. "The Gores cannot comment on every defamatory, misleading, and inaccurate story generated by tabloids. Mr. Gore unequivocally and emphatically denied this accusation when he first learned of its existence three years ago. He stands by that denial."
The Multnomah County district attorney said the woman, who was not identified by name, had refused to cooperate with police after her attorney made the initial complaint six weeks after the alleged incident.
A spokesperson for the former vice president said then that the family had no comment on the case.
According to a 73-page "Confidential Special Report" made public by authorities on June 23, the "licensed massage therapist" stated she was summoned to a suite at the upscale Lucia Hotel at the request of a guest, where "during the course of this massage session Al Gore did sexually assault me in his room."
In a detailed statement given to police more than two years after the alleged incident the woman described her surprise at arriving for the VIP massage appointment to find Al Gore drinking beer and opening his arms in a hug saying "Call Me Al."
But she said her VIP client later turned "angry and threatening" when she resisted Gore's efforts to force her hand to his inner thigh and lower abdominal area during the massage and then attempted to rip her clothes as she struggled against him, she told police
I just have to ask: Was this part of the training he got from Clinton? 
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#29946 - 07/03/10 01:52 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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The money quote:
"They've already twice looked at this case in 2006 and 2009 and said 'there's no evidence here'".
But, to satisfy the "liberal biased media", they'll keep it in the news some more.
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#29947 - 07/03/10 03:20 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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For those who like to see the mighty fall, the anticipation of Mrs. Gores divorce case against "Big Al" has got to be great. The stories that might come out....
Guilty or not, from this point on if you say Sex Poodle who will people think of?
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#30036 - 07/09/10 03:30 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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The money quote:
"They've already twice looked at this case in 2006 and 2009 and said 'there's no evidence here'".
But, to satisfy the "liberal biased media", they'll keep it in the news some more.
I'm surprised the social worker has kept her fingers out of this thread. According to the DOJ, 60% of sexual assaults are never reported, and there are reasons why there's a 6 year statute of limitations for sexual assault cases in Oregon. Ms. Hagerty would have to be dumber than a concrete block not to understand the pressing of charges against Al Gore would mean a very public personal smear campaign against her. It will be interesting to see if Gore sticks to his unequivocal and emphatic denial of the accusation and lets a court clear him, or if he quietly pays her off for her silence. Man up and take a polygraph, Mr. Gore. If you are innocent of the accusation you shouldn't hesitate to clear your name in a very public way, taking the wind right out of the media's sails. Man up.
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#30038 - 07/09/10 06:41 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
[Re: ikayak]
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Carpal Tunnel
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Man up and take a polygraph, Mr. Gore. They have the information they need to decide whether to charge private citizen Gore with a crime. Until they do, it's none of my business. If they don't, it's because they believe that there is no probable cause to believe a crime occurred. In the US we don't ask people to take polygraph tests to prove they didn't commit crimes of which they haven't been charged. Hmmm.... DB Cooper bailed out over water. Kayaks travel over water. Man up IKY, you should prove you're not DB Cooper.
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#30040 - 07/09/10 07:21 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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In the US we don't ask people to take polygraph tests to prove they didn't commit crimes of which they haven't been charged. Really. Which US do you live in?
On Friday, investigators began to ask the public for more information about Kyron's stepmother. She was the last person to see Kyron.
Baum said that does not surprise her. She said in the first days after her daughter's disappearance, investigators asked her to take a polygraph test. She agreed.
"I tried to be pretty open and honest," said Baum, "Because my focus was, don't waste [their] time. Find my kid."
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#30047 - 07/09/10 08:29 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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Carpal Tunnel
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Really. Which US do you live in?
The one where supposed Christians are desperate to "expose" the alleged sexual indiscretions of people who don't matter any more, all to "prove" some nebulous point that doesn't exist.
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#30053 - 07/10/10 12:03 AM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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Really. Which US do you live in?
The one where supposed Christians are desperate to "expose" the alleged sexual indiscretions of people who don't matter any more, all to "prove" some nebulous point that doesn't exist. I am glad you're admitting that Al Gore doesn't matter. Perhaps there is some hope for you yet.
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#30055 - 07/10/10 04:09 AM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
[Re: ikayak]
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Salon has in interesting article, How one paper tried, and failed to confirm Al Gore sex allegations. “The truth is we very much wanted to report the story on Al Gore,” said Mark Garber, 54, executive editor of the Tribune, a 60,000-circulation free weekly that also publishes news every day online. “We worked on it for a year so that we could report the story. There’s nothing we would have liked more.” This is the type of case where accusation is tantamount to conviction.
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#30056 - 07/10/10 08:11 AM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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Yes, that is an interesting article.
I don't believe there will ever be a conviction, do you?
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#30057 - 07/10/10 10:54 AM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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Carpal Tunnel
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I don't believe there will ever be a conviction, do you?
Well, considering that innocent people aren't supposed to get convicted of anything, no.
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#30068 - 07/10/10 12:20 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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Cheap shot.
I've also had cases where people have admitted to making false accusations. Your point?
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#30069 - 07/10/10 12:48 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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This story does not play like the usual story where the bimbo tries to blackmail some rich and famous person. She has tried to elude detection and appears not to want her life turned into a media circus.
That is not normal in cases like this.
I get a gut feeling that there is something to this story. If it is true, Gore got his signals crossed on what it was he was hiring done. Had he been a "noboby" regular customer who knows what would have happened him. No matter what, something like this has got to be hard to prove if it is true. Massage therapists probably run into this more than we think.
Is Gore really a crazed sex poodle? Who cares. He is a nobody now. It is only that he might have been president that there is any interest at all and that amount of interest is very, very small.
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#30070 - 07/10/10 01:54 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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Carpal Tunnel
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Massage therapists probably run into this more than we think. Especially $540 therapists who do outcalls at hotel rooms. (In fairness, that included a tip... which actually kind of calls into question the story. Has anyone ever paid a tip to someone they had just assaulted?) But refusing to file a police report while negotiating a $1m contract to tell the story to the enquirer? Stay classy.
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#30071 - 07/10/10 03:51 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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This story does not play like the usual story where the bimbo tries to blackmail some rich and famous person. She has tried to elude detection and appears not to want her life turned into a media circus.
You sure about that, BB? But refusing to file a police report while negotiating a $1m contract to tell the story to the enquirer?
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#30074 - 07/10/10 04:56 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
[Re: ikayak]
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Yes, that is an interesting article.
I don't believe there will ever be a conviction, do you?
There won't be a trial, but Mr Gore has been convicted in some segments of the court of public opinion. Even if he were found not guilty in a court of law, some would say he'd purchased the verdict.
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#30075 - 07/10/10 06:48 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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Pooh-Bah
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My lack of interest in time lines on this may show when I say that I believe a few years went between the groping of the sex poodle and the time she decided to sell her story. That is what I inferred from reading the article about the newspaper coverage.
Hey, the economy is hard. Do what you have to do to feed those kids and pay those mortgages.
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#30076 - 07/10/10 09:17 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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Carpal Tunnel
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Cheap shot.
I've also had cases where people have admitted to making false accusations. Your point? Why do you jump to the immediate conclusion that it's a cheap shot? You were in the behavioral health/social services field. And you usually support the underdog. Most people with a behavioral health background know the reasons why sexual assaults are one of THE most underreported crimes. I was surprised that you weren't the first to bring that fact into the thread given your background, that's all. No cheap shot. Good grief, defensive much?
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#30077 - 07/10/10 09:19 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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Carpal Tunnel
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She's well within the Oregon statute of limitations for sexual assault.
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#30078 - 07/10/10 09:21 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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That's why if I were Al Gore, and I was innocent, I'd be taking a polygraph on that awful beyond words Nancy Grace show to clear myself once and for all.
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#30081 - 07/10/10 09:49 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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Wally B was talking about the court of public opinion.
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#30085 - 07/11/10 07:58 AM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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Cheap shot.
I've also had cases where people have admitted to making false accusations. Your point? Why do you jump to the immediate conclusion that it's a cheap shot? You were in the behavioral health/social services field. And you usually support the underdog. Most people with a behavioral health background know the reasons why sexual assaults are one of THE most underreported crimes. I was surprised that you weren't the first to bring that fact into the thread given your background, that's all. No cheap shot. Good grief, defensive much? I had not commented in this thread and didn't intend to as the topic matter doesn't interest me all that much. So, yeah, I felt called out and then called it as I see it. Being called defensive by you is really quite amusing.
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#30090 - 07/11/10 04:41 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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that awful beyond words Nancy Grace show
Well, we can agree on that much. Clearly, there isn't enough evidence to convict him in a court of law. The court of public opinion is irrelevant, as he won't be running for anything again and most people already have an opinion of him, good or bad. What brought this issue back up is his separation. That makes it a celebrity story, as opposed to a political story. Yawn. As far as him not taking a polygraph, I'm still waiting for Glenn Beck to take a polygraph to prove that he didn't rape and murder a girl in 1990...
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#30161 - 07/15/10 08:12 AM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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I see. An admission of parody and satire and stated assumption that he didn't commit the crimes from the accusers isn't enough for you. Being called defensive by you is really quite amusing. More so your deflection default.
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#30169 - 07/15/10 12:26 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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That's why if I were Al Gore, and I was innocent, I'd be taking a polygraph on that awful beyond words Nancy Grace show to clear myself once and for all.
Better yet, the accuser could take a polygraph. She did? And it said she was lying? And she has a history of making up accusations? Well that's entirely different. Nevermind.
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#30191 - 07/16/10 11:29 AM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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Well, there you go. Case closed. Now I can keep that nasty Gore sex-poodle visual from harrassing my mind every time I see his name or picture. Oh wait though... There is a reason that polygraph test results are generally not admissible in court -- they are not reliable. I would never take a polygraph under any circumstances. It's a waste of time. I don't know...can you have it both ways, unreliable for the accused and reliable for the accuser?
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#30200 - 07/16/10 06:48 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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There is a reason that polygraph test results are generally not admissible in court -- they are not reliable. I would never take a polygraph under any circumstances. It's a waste of time. I don't know...can you have it both ways, unreliable for the accused and reliable for the accuser? Ever heard the phrase "burden of proof"? On whom does it fall?
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#30204 - 07/16/10 07:13 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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1. It depends whether you're talking civil or criminal court, and then on specifics of case/plea.
2. Since when has there ever been a "burden of proof" required in the court of public opinion?
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#30209 - 07/17/10 01:37 AM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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The court of public opinion is irrelevant. He won't be running for anything again, and how much weight people put into his climate change campaign will not be influenced by this. Either you buy into or you don't. Whether you think he assaulted a masseuse won't change that.
I'll also play ignorant on this. What the heck is a sex poodle? Am I just not old enough for that one?
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#30212 - 07/17/10 09:54 AM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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The court of public opinion is irrelevant. Apparently so, just ask President B.O.. Btw, since you maintain that it is irrelevant, why do you spend time making your opinion public in a public message board court?  What the heck is a sex poodle? I would have said sex- lab, perhaps more accurate but not as catchy. My 5 year old male British lab would try to mount a female rock if I would let him. Perhaps the problem lies in cheeky Anglo-genes.
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#30230 - 07/17/10 06:07 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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I should have clarified, and I thought I had, the court of public opinion is irrelevant in relation to Al Gore and this case. President Obama still has legislation, nominations, etc that he is trying to work through, not to mention a reelection.
As far as my own opinion, I'm really here for my own entertainment. Am I making my opinion public? Yes, but that's not the point. If I talk about politics to my wife, she gets a glazed look in her eyes. I joke that the only way that I could get her to go to a city council meeting is if they are debating an ordinance that would legalize the clubbing of baby seals. (In fact, if I ask her if she will sign a petition for an initiative, she will ask me if it has to do with baby seals). I'm no fan of discussing politics at work (there are those that would agree and disagree with me, and those that just want to eat their lunch in peace). So this board is sort of a relief valve for me. I'm not afraid of people knowing my opinions, and here I can get some sort of feedback, or even challenge, without it being personal. If it does get personal, I ignore that crap. That's one reason why I'm glad that you are here. I can count on you to disagree with me in a genuine way if that's the way you feel. Same with BB. I kind of wish that there were more on the right that were willing to put themselves out there on this board, as opposed to just watching and hanging out on their own blog/site. I had some hope that we had a new voice when Oly showed up, but it turned out that they weren't as good or thoughtful and ran away.
Thanks for explaining the sex poodle thing, I get what they were trying to say now, I just don't think the word association is going to stick in my mind. At least, not in relation to Al Gore.
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#30232 - 07/17/10 06:24 PM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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I forgot to quote Walt Whitman in there in that "I sound my barbaric yawp over the rooftops of the world."
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#30458 - 07/27/10 08:14 AM
Re: Portland reopens case against Sex Poodle.
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Not surprisingly two more allegations by women, one in L.A. and one in Tokyo against the Sex Poodle have been been made also. This is National Enquirer stuff but it seems that Mr. Gore likes sex with his massages. Poor Tipper.
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