#30312 - 07/22/10 03:54 PM
Re: When is a tax a tax?
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51% of Independent voters. 79% of Republican voters. 18% of Democratic voters.
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#30313 - 07/22/10 04:09 PM
Re: When is a tax a tax?
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If we get more service for less money by paying a "tax," than by fattening the wallets of insurance company executives, who gives a flying f#@$ what you call it? That's an unrealistic "if", Beavis. Just ask the NHS.
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#30314 - 07/22/10 05:33 PM
Re: When is a tax a tax?
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That's an unrealistic "if", Beavis.
Just ask the NHS.
Oh, you mean in one of those 15 or 16 other industrialized countries who have completely socialized medicine and yet have better health outcomes at less cost than we do? OK, let's do that! I think I need an MRI--hey, if we adopt Japan's system, I can get one for less than $100 even without insurance--and the MRI clinic still turns a profit! Imagine!
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#30315 - 07/22/10 05:34 PM
Re: When is a tax a tax?
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51% of Independent voters. 79% of Republican voters. 18% of Democratic voters.
Thus the difference between Democrats and Teabaggerpublicans: Democrats want to do the right thing. Teabaggerpublicans want to do what's popular.
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#30316 - 07/22/10 06:13 PM
Re: When is a tax a tax?
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hey, if we adopt Japan's system, I can get one for less than $100 even without insurance--and the MRI clinic still turns a profit! Imagine! Hey, if we adopt Japan's system, YOU could be one of the thousands of patients rejected for emergency treatment at an understaffed, underequipped, and overcrowded hospital and never get to an MRI machine!
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#30318 - 07/22/10 06:32 PM
Re: When is a tax a tax?
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Hey, if we adopt Japan's system, YOU could be one of the thousands of patients rejected for emergency treatment at an understaffed, underequipped, and overcrowded hospital and never get to an MRI machine!
And spend half the money we do here in the U.S. and have the longest healthy life expectancy of any developed nation? Boy, what a bummer that would be.
Edited by Beavis H. Christ (07/22/10 06:33 PM)
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#30321 - 07/22/10 07:22 PM
Re: When is a tax a tax?
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Let's take a closer look at that Beavis:
The United States has an obesity rate of 34%.
In 2008, the obese in this country accrued $147 billion in weight-related medical bills, double what it was a decade ago, accounting for about 9.1% of medical spending.
Overall, the United States spends about $1.8 trillion a year in medical costs associated with chronic diseases such as diabetes, heart disease, and cancer directly linked to obesity (and smoking), the largest risk factors.
Projected factors indicate that in 8 years the US obesity rate could be as high as 43%, costing $344 billion dollars a year in medical expenses, eating up 21% of health care spending.
The obesity rate in Japan is less than 5%.
How's that BMI thingie working out for you, Beavis?
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#30331 - 07/22/10 09:06 PM
Re: When is a tax a tax?
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How's that BMI thingie working out for you, Beavis?
Ah. SO now it's about me bein' fat, as opposed to a discussion of which country has the better public health system. Epic fail, Iky.
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#30333 - 07/22/10 09:40 PM
Re: When is a tax a tax?
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This was your question we were taking a look at, referring to Japan: And spend half the money we do here in the U.S. and have the longest healthy life expectancy of any developed nation? I gave you an excellent indicator of why the US spends more money on health care and why Japan boasts a longer life expectancy. If you are obese and in poor health, you are part of the problem. The United States also has twice as many motor vehicle deaths as Japan, altering life expectancy stats, which has little to do with the health care system except for the fact that in Japan you may be rejected by several hospital emergency rooms before one finding one that will treat you after a mv accident. If you consider that a better public health system, then knock yourself out. Just not in Japan.
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#30346 - 07/23/10 07:40 AM
Re: When is a tax a tax?
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Adopt a system that all must be paying into.
The people I have talked with that live in Canada, Tahiti and other French areas all like the healthcare system they have setup and one person from Tahiti said groups around the world are laughing at the US and the current setup of healthcare. Everyone should be paying.
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