Republican stock answer #2: Blame the victim.

Japan also outlawed corporate profits on health insurance. Gee, maybe that had something to do with costs going down!

Results are results. Japan gets better results for half the cost. It's not magic, Iky. Their system works. Ours doesn't.

Liberal stock answer #1: Play the victim.


Question: Victim of what, Beavis?

Answer: Your own health destructive choices.

Ah. So insurance companies play absolutely no role whatsoever in the fact that Japan -- and at least 14 other developed nations -- get better results from their national health care systems at less cost than we do?

It's all the fault of someone else, isn't it, Iky? Not the glorious and shining system on a hill that is unfettered capitalism. Nope, couldn't be that. Profits are the ultimate expression of morality! America, F%$^ YEAH!

Get better results? Get better results?

The WHO quit trying to determine that years ago because it was an impossible task to calculate accurately.

morality:

"standards of conduct that are generally accepted as right or proper"

What's YOUR ultimate expression of morality in this health care debate, Beavis? How moral are you in taking compassionate care of your "we the people" brothers by practicing a healthy lifestyle in order to decrease your health risks and health care costs to yourself and to society?

Talk to a 30 year old Aberdeen EMT/paramedic who has been carrying obese people through tight hallways, down and around corners in steep, sometimes rickety stairwells more than once per shift for more shifts than he cares to remember the past 5-7 years. Ask him how his back and knees are holding up under carrying around the enormous excess weight of others.

Obesity has far reaching consequences to your societal "brothers", Beavis...far more than just monetary consequences, as serious as those are and as threatening to our economy as they are.

You want to talk "morality" in US health care? Put your own house in order. Start with the man in the mirror. Do the right and proper thing concerning your own health care crisis, for yourself and your societal "brothers." Then you might have some credibility ranting about your preceived moral problems in US healthcare.

I have heard the same from relatives living in Norway and Germany.

Welcome to the forums, btw.

Actually, the French health care system is taking steps to become more "Americanized."

I'll file that where I file a lot of your other "facts".

Nothing to indicate the reform is more "Americanized". Besides, it's a moot point. Our system is clearly broken. That's the issue. What happens in France is their problem, not mine. Although I find it interesting that the criticism is coming from the French medical community. That should mean something to you as you have used the criticism from some members of America's medical community as a point to dispute what's going on with our own healthcare reform.