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#30892 - 08/16/10 12:46 PM Some other things built on the "hallowed ground"
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http://daryllang.com/blog/4421

Pics of things in New York the same distance from Ground Zero as the proposed Islamic Cultural Center.

Included are a strip club, a McDonald's, hawkers selling 9/11 souvenirs, and an OTB gambling parlor.

But all of those are OK, even on "hallowed ground," because they're not run by them eeeevil Moooselims and their heathen Gawd.

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#30893 - 08/16/10 01:03 PM Re: Some other things built on the "hallowed ground" [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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Since when have strippers, Ronald McDonald, souvenir hawkers, and OT betters advocated for establishing an Islamic sharia caliphate in the United States?
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#30895 - 08/16/10 01:41 PM Re: Some other things built on the "hallowed ground" [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak

Since when have strippers, Ronald McDonald, souvenir hawkers, and OT betters advocated for establishing an Islamic sharia caliphate in the United States?


Well, some Christians advocate a Christian theocracy right here--guess we better ban Christian churches too.

In any event, that's beside the point.

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#30897 - 08/16/10 01:52 PM Re: Some other things built on the "hallowed ground" [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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For one thing, Christians do not advocate this.

The Gospel of John, chapter 8.
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#30899 - 08/16/10 03:16 PM Re: Some other things built on the "hallowed ground" [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak

For one thing, Christians do not advocate this.

The Gospel of John, chapter 8.



Doesn't matter. Here in America we have freedom of religion.

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#30901 - 08/16/10 03:38 PM Re: Some other things built on the "hallowed ground" [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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Originally Posted By: Reynolds v United States (SCOTUS ruling)


Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices. Suppose one believed that human sacrifices were a necessary part of religious worship, would it be seriously contended that the civil government under which he lived could not interfere to prevent a sacrifice? Or if a wife religiously believed it was her duty to burn herself upon the funeral pile of her dead husband, would it be beyond the power of the civil government to prevent her carrying her belief into practice?

So here, as a law of the organization of society under the exclusive dominion of the United States, it is provided that plural marriages shall not be allowed. Can a man excuse his practices to the contrary because of his religious belief? [98 U.S. 145, 167] To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself. Government could exist only in name under such circumstances.


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#30902 - 08/16/10 03:58 PM Re: Some other things built on the "hallowed ground" [Re: ikayak]
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I guess you advocate getting rid of the Mormons as well then. Well, sorry about that Herr Heydrich, but here in the U.S. of A. we have freedom of religion, and that means everybody--even racist, bigoted scumbags.

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#30903 - 08/16/10 04:12 PM Re: Some other things built on the "hallowed ground" [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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Besides bitching about the mosque, what would be a real solution that could stop a church or mosque from being built? Can you legally say a mosque cannot be built when there are already churches (St. Paul's right across the street) and a mosque a couple of blocks away?

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#30904 - 08/16/10 04:14 PM Re: Some other things built on the "hallowed ground" [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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Quote:
I guess you advocate getting rid of the Mormons as well then


The heat must be getting to you.

I cite a pertinent SCOTUS ruling in response to your last post and you then pull an illogical Grand Canyon leap out of your hinder "guessing" that I advocate "getting rid of the Mormons."

The rest of your post is just typical you, also.
Have fun playing with yourself.
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#30906 - 08/16/10 04:33 PM Re: Some other things built on the "hallowed ground" [Re: MonteMark]
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Originally Posted By: MonteMark
Besides bitching about the mosque, what would be a real solution that could stop a church or mosque from being built? Can you legally say a mosque cannot be built when there are already churches (St. Paul's right across the street) and a mosque a couple of blocks away?


I say we raze everything in the area that isn't already a church and let every dang faith and denomination within those faiths cover the whole area with churches. Heck, through in a few meditation centers and New Age shops selling crystals and pyramids, too, for all I care. Don't forget a pasta restaurant to commemorate the FSM. I think the whole thing has been blown way out of proportion.
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#30907 - 08/16/10 04:37 PM Re: Some other things built on the "hallowed ground" [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak


I cite a pertinent SCOTUS ruling in response to your last post and you then pull an illogical Grand Canyon leap out of your hinder "guessing" that I advocate "getting rid of the Mormons."



Illogical?

Which of America's many religious faiths is the following specifically most often associated with?

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it is provided that plural marriages shall not be allowed. Can a man excuse his practices to the contrary because of his religious belief? [98 U.S. 145, 167] To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself.


Ask 100 Americans which religion in this country is most likely associated with polygamy and what are 99 going to say?

I might as well make this my tagline:

"Iky, you're an idiot."

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#30910 - 08/16/10 05:27 PM Re: Some other things built on the "hallowed ground" [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints officially discontinued the practice of polygamy after their Prophet Woodruff claimed he received a divine revelation they were to do just that...

in 1890.

I don't think of Mormons as polygamists.

If you do, get over it.
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#30914 - 08/16/10 07:29 PM Re: Some other things built on the "hallowed ground" [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak


I don't think of Mormons as polygamists.

If you do, get over it.



You don't think of Jesus as a pacifist, either. I wouldn't call your particular delusions exactly mainstream.

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#30919 - 08/16/10 08:50 PM Re: Some other things built on the "hallowed ground" [Re: ikayak]
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Nothing political about that. I'm sure that it didn't help Utah statehood or anything...
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#30923 - 08/16/10 09:46 PM Re: Some other things built on the "hallowed ground" [Re: harborknight]
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So now in this thread we have Mormons identified as not only polygamists, but also as liars.

And according to you, the "political hijacking" of the mosque debate is disgusting, but not your political hijacking of their prophet's revelation?

pfft.
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#30925 - 08/16/10 09:59 PM Re: Some other things built on the "hallowed ground" [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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Originally Posted By: Beavis H. Christ
Originally Posted By: ikayak


I don't think of Mormons as polygamists.

If you do, get over it.



You don't think of Jesus as a pacifist, either. I wouldn't call your particular delusions exactly mainstream.



Try to commit this verse to memory this time, Beavis:


Originally Posted By: Jesus
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.



God's Word declares: "the LORD is a man of war".

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#30927 - 08/16/10 11:56 PM Re: Some other things built on the "hallowed groun [Re: ikayak]
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You are taking Matthew 10:34 out of the context in which Christ used it.

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#30928 - 08/17/10 03:57 AM Re: Some other things built on the "hallowed groun [Re: ikayak]
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I think that a religious debate was politically hijacked in 1890, and the Mormons, specifically their prophet, gave in. Was it disgusting? Probably, but if they can live with the change in their beliefs, good for them. I don't take that to mean that Muslims or adherents of other religions must do the same.

FWIW, I don't think that Mormons are liars, but as someone who is not Mormon, I do think they are wrong. I don't hold that against them any more than anyone else whose religion I don't buy into.

Personally, I don't have a problem with plural marriages among consenting adults, if that is a part of your religion. I have a problem when participants are underage, coerced, or unaware of the situation. Barring that, keep the government out of marriage.

That the Mormons are no longer polygamists is probably to their advantage, though.
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