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#31039 - 08/21/10 02:01 PM Re: Architect patterned WTC after Mecca [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak

This is where it would be helpful if you would think more deeply and carefully about God's Word and true Christian relationship and response to it.


Hilarious.

In Ikyworld,

Christmas has nothing to do with Christ.

The Prince of Peace was a warmonger and ardent advocate of torture.

Even though it's explicitly stated, the cruciform architectural pattern found in cathedrals...isn't representative of the crucifixion.

I hear a calliope playing carnival music!

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#31041 - 08/21/10 03:55 PM Re: Architect patterned WTC after Mecca [Re: ikayak]
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You are the Mistress of Deflection, that's for sure.
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#31042 - 08/21/10 06:58 PM Re: Architect patterned WTC after Mecca [Re: funkycamper]
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What exactly that I posted do you consider deflection?

1. The cruciform predates Christ by at least a couple thousand years...so we know the cruciform is not a "Christian" shape. Shapes are not Christian.

2. The stauros (again predating Jesus by a loooong shot) was used by the Romans for crucifixion and was certainly not "Christian." Many Jews and pagans were crucified on the stauros. Neither Christ nor His Apostles crucified anyone upon a stauros. Therefore, the stauros, the crux, the cross, is not Christian.

3. You know the history of "Christmas" - December 25th...it's a tradition started and expanded upon by man. It's origin had everything to do with Tammuz, a pagan god, whom Constantine, a counterfeit Christian, worshipped. God's Word tells us not to blend pagan practices into our worship of the Holy Living God. As you profess to be a Christian, you must know that we are commanded to worship in spirit and in truth.

Christ wasn't born on December 25th any more than I was. He was born Tishri 15, on the first day of Sukkot, Feast of Tabernacles. Zechariah 14 states that one day, after the return of Christ, everyone will be required to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles or suffer consequences. It always falls sometime in late September to early October.

So what is Christ's mass? It is the death sacrifice or "destruction of the victim." Merry Christmas, eh?

Is Christmas, December 25th Christian? In order to determine that you must ask yourself if it aligns with God's Word and Christ's teachings. So, does it? No.

No deflection, just the facts.

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#31044 - 08/21/10 09:16 PM Re: Architect patterned WTC after Mecca [Re: ikayak]
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#31045 - 08/21/10 09:28 PM Re: Architect patterned WTC after Mecca [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak

1. The cruciform predates Christ by at least a couple thousand years...so we know the cruciform is not a "Christian" shape. Shapes are not Christian.


The line, the point and the plane predate all religions and mankind itself, therefore we can never attribute any significance to any symbolic representation of anything, anywhere, ever, including the lines and points in the planes that make up everything you've ever posted.

Or you're just being a douchebag. Occam's Razor.

Originally Posted By: ikayak


2. The stauros (again predating Jesus by a loooong shot) was used by the Romans for crucifixion and was certainly not "Christian." Many Jews and pagans were crucified on the stauros. Neither Christ nor His Apostles crucified anyone upon a stauros. Therefore, the stauros, the crux, the cross, is not Christian.



Which means that all those crosses on all those churches on all those altars and on all those Bibles everywhere mean absolutely squat? What are you, an atheist?

Or a douchebag. There's pesky old Occam again.


Edited by Beavis H. Christ (08/21/10 09:29 PM)

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#31047 - 08/22/10 07:54 AM Re: Architect patterned WTC after Mecca [Re: ikayak]
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No, I'm not going down that rabbit hole. Not worth it. Fine, have it your way, millions of people over the last two thousand years are wrong.
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#31109 - 08/26/10 09:28 PM Re: Architect patterned WTC after Mecca [Re: funkycamper]
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As a Protestant Christian, are you in agreement that Mary is Christ's co-redemptrix...the "Mediatrix of the entire world", the "gate of heaven" who dispenses ALL Graces, created and uncreated, according to Roman Catholicism?

If she's not, then millions of people over several hundreds of years are wrong.

If she is, then millions of people over several hundreds are of are wrong.

It's not hard to get Christianity wrong. Stray from God's Holy Word, the Bible, and you have a 100% chance of getting it wrong. Have you not read Christ's letters to the churches? He needed to correct them less than 70 years after His Ascension.

Show me in the Bible where either Jesus or the Apostles ordained and authorized the cross as a "Christian symbol" either on churches on in churches or as jewelry, etc. You can't because they didn't. Am I wrong?

Do you take communion as the Lord has instructed? It's the bread and the cup, Funky, not the cross: the bread, His body; the cup, the new testament. (Luke 22)

The choice remains the same today as it was yesterday and will be tomorrow, God willing: who will you believe and follow, the millions or Jesus?
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#31112 - 08/26/10 09:48 PM Re: Architect patterned WTC after Mecca [Re: ikayak]
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Nothing you wrote negates the symbolism of the cruciform in church architecture.

So, am I going to hell if I take communion in a church decorated with crosses while holding my Bible with a cross on the binding? Bah!
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#31116 - 08/26/10 11:28 PM Re: Architect patterned WTC after Mecca [Re: funkycamper]
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Nothing you wrote negates the symbolism of the cruciform in church architecture.



Cruciforms were around long before Christianity, pagan symbols used in pagan architecture. Just as in ancient times, people today need to learn the difference between the profane and the holy. In God's Word, "Christian" always refers to a person following Christ, never a thing.

Some clergy have been wearing pointy hats longer than there have been tetraconch shaped churches. Are you going to argue that pointy hats are a symbol of Christianity?

How about cruciform tails on aircraft? Christian?

Perhaps the blue cross of that insurance company! No?

Quote:
So, am I going to hell if I take communion in a church decorated with crosses while holding my Bible with a cross on the binding? Bah!


Try not to be such a drama queen.
You should already know your requirement/God's expectation for communion. If you don't, you can find it in the Bible.

Also, we're told who is going to hell and why.
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#31120 - 08/27/10 07:34 AM Re: Architect patterned WTC after Mecca [Re: ikayak]
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You have lost your sense of humor.
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