#30930 - 08/17/10 08:45 AM
Re: Obama and the Mosque
[Re: ikayak]
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If one takes the time to read the books Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf has written, not only for western readers, but also excerpt translations of the versions published for mid-eastern muslim readers, you will find that fact undeniable. It was an incredibly serious mistake for the Bush administration to embrace and support this man and his cause, and it is a mistake for the B.O. administration to do the same.
As a strong advocate for Islamic law to be practiced the United States, Rauf represents a creeping religious, social, and political cancer determined to undermine and then destroy our Constitution and way of life as we know it.
Funky, as a woman, the things this man advocates should outrage you. Really, oh, sweet, imbecilic right-wingers? Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf of the Cordoba Initiative, which dares to want cheap real estate in New York City in order to build a Muslim community center, is a radical? Really? Does anyone actually understand the meaning of "radical" anymore?
Here's what he's said over the last few years. Mullah Omar, he ain't:
"The issue of women's rights is more than an issue for women or about women. It involves everyone...The best of you are those who are best to their women. Consequently, the worst of men are those who are worst to their women."- From the Yemen Times, August 9, 2009, at a conference on advancing the cause of women in Islam.
Rauf believes in "showing those who resort to violence that it is counter to the very idea of Islam." - From the Khaleej Times (UAE), July 5, 2009.
"Islam denounces suicide of any sort, especially suicide bombings that kill innocents. Even in a defensive war sanctioned by Islamic law, suicide is expressly forbidden." - From a June 2009 commentary by Rauf.
"The Quran expressly and unambiguously prohibits the coercion of faith because that violates a fundamental human right - the right to a free conscience. The Quran says in one place 'There shall be no compulsion in religion.' And in another it says, 'To you your beliefs and to me, mine.'"- Same as above.
"Rauf was one of the few Muslim leaders who appealed for calm and tolerance after the Regensburg speech." From the New Yorker, April 2, 2007, regarding Pope Benedict's 2006 lecture where he quoted a Muslim-hating Byzantine emperor. Riots ensued.
Young Muslims "are deeply frustrated by what's going on in the name of Islam. They feel they are paying a price for actions done by a very, very negligible minority, but which capture the attention of the media. Terrorism done in the name of Islam has hurt Muslims as much, if not more, than it has hurt Westerners." - From a June 2006 U.S. State Department press release on a conference regarding Muslim youths.
"This is why we have been looking for, calling for so long for democratic regimes, for societies where people are empowered in much of the Arab and Muslim world. We are seeing massive changes going on right now in the Arab and Muslim world. When you have a disempowered people, you have things like this going on." - From a February 7, 2006 interview on ABC regarding the protests over the Danish cartoons depicting Mohammed.
"The Qur'an needs to be the backing of our activism towards human rights"- From Islamic Horizons, November 2004, at a conference on religion and peacebuilding held at the College of Notre Dame.
"It's because they love what we have here, and we have prevented them from having it there. We have supported regimes that have been authoritarian and oppressive to their own people. This is why people are angry with us. If we had encouraged democracy in Saudi Arabia, Osama bin Laden would have run for political office there." - From a July 10, 2004 interview with the Dallas Morning News, upon being asked if terrorists "hate our freedoms."
"This what we call 'a no-brainer.'" - from the Guardian, September 3, 2002, on the need for just the type of center to be build at Park 51 because, in 2002, there were "25 centres for Jewish-Christian understanding in the United States, only two for Muslim-Christian understanding, and zero for Muslim-Jewish understanding." From The Rude Pundit. Completely foul-mouthed. Don't click unless you have a high profanity tolerance.
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#30942 - 08/17/10 03:01 PM
Re: Obama and the Mosque
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Those who are convinced that jihad is at the heart and soul of Islam will never believe it anyway. But good try, LJ.
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#30944 - 08/17/10 08:13 PM
Re: Obama and the Mosque
[Re: funkycamper]
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Those who are convinced that jihad is at the heart and soul of Islam will never believe it anyway. But good try, LJ. Particularly when there's such an abundance of projection. "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." Ann Coulter
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#30947 - 08/17/10 09:50 PM
Re: Obama and the Mosque
[Re: funkycamper]
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By embracing Islam in the peacemaking process, Obama has laid down a challenge to Muslims. Live up to the tenets of our religion, embrace Shariah law as conceived by the Prophet, and see what happens. One example of Shariah law as conceived by the Prophet: Surah 24. Light 1. A sura which We have sent down and which We have ordained in it have We sent down Clear Signs, in order that ye may receive admonition. 2. The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. Hey, a new use for Olympia Stadium!
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#30949 - 08/18/10 07:37 AM
Re: Obama and the Mosque
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Funky, you post things that make me wonder why you bother to call yourself a Christian.
You're actually asking whether or not our Lord, who is a Warrior, and who set an example for us by showing compassion upon an adulterous fornicator, protecting her from those who wanted to kill her for her failure to keep the OT Law, is any better than those who flog and stone human beings today under Sharia Law in the name of Allah???
Have you suffered a head injury, or are you denouncing Jesus Christ? That is not a rhetorical question. I'd really like to know.
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#30951 - 08/18/10 08:14 AM
Re: Obama and the Mosque
[Re: ikayak]
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You're actually asking whether or not our Lord, who is a Warrior,
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Have you suffered a head injury,
lol Sermon on the Mount, Iky. Sermon on the Mount. And the example on the cross. Warrior? Absolutely not. Christ renounced violence.
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#30953 - 08/18/10 08:57 AM
Re: Obama and the Mosque
[Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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I have to ask the (perhaps) controversial question: What makes ground sacred?
It should go without saying, the attacks on the WTC was tragic and shook our entire nation. Those innocent lives lost and the acts of heroism... the whole thing still hits us on an emotional level. I get that. I feel that. But is the ground sacred? If so, why?
I'm genuinely asking, why not the building in Oklahoma, too? Why not the subways and all the other places acts of terrorism have taken place? Is it that the buildings came all the way down? Is it the number of casualties? Is it because it happened in NY? What makes that crime scene more hallowed than another?
I can understand the knee-jerk insult of having a Muslim shrine in the place of the building that a few crazy Muslims blew up, but it wasn't the Muslims that blew it up, it was the crazies. Not all Christians shoot doctors, I'd prefer not to be painted with that brush, thank you. Yet, we are all too willing to equate Muslims with terrorists.
If not a Mosque, what should be put on that land? Perhaps another WalMart.
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#30954 - 08/18/10 09:17 AM
Re: Obama and the Mosque
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#30955 - 08/18/10 09:20 AM
Re: Obama and the Mosque
[Re: mdean]
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It should go without saying, the attacks on the WTC was tragic and shook our entire nation. Those innocent lives lost and the acts of heroism... the whole thing still hits us on an emotional level. I get that. I feel that. But is the ground sacred? If so, why?
It's an excellent question, and for that matter, by the standards the anti-Muslim right is putting out, every church in America is an affront to "sacred ground" and "religious conquest"--because they all stand on ground once considered sacred by Native Americans and taken forcibly by conquest and genocide.
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