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#30956 - 08/18/10 09:34 AM Re: Obama and the Mosque [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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A few days have gone by since we started this thread. There was no condemnation by myself for the substance of Obama's speech. I merely said it was a stupid issue for him to take up at election time. Since then:

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Ailing 9/11 responders slammed President Obama on Tuesday for sounding off on the Ground Zero mosque while keeping silent on a $7.2 billion health care bill.

"Why have you failed us? We thought you would be our champion" in pushing the legislation, John Feal wrote to Obama.

One of the thousands who worked at The Pile after the World Trade Center attacks, Feal heads the Fealgood Foundation supporting the responders.

The plight of the Ground Zero heroes, still suffering and dying from illnesses brought on by the toxic cloud over the twin towers' ruins, has taken a backseat to the political posturing over the mosque, Feal said.

The mosque's location "is not an issue for us," he told Obama.

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The GOP made clear yesterday it will keep hammering on the mosque issue in a drive to take back Congress.

"It's important to voters right now," said Tory Mazzola, spokesman for the National Congressional Republican Committee. "President Obama's decision shows just how out of touch he is."

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I believe this is going to bring votes over to Republicans. Couldn't this have been handled behind the scenes like NY's governor is trying to do? There are so many important issues that Obama could have championed.

A big part of the president's job is political and he is doing lousy at it. Once more Obama turns out to be a major disappointment.

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#30957 - 08/18/10 09:37 AM Re: Obama and the Mosque [Re: mdean]
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Excellent points.

Further, as I understand it the proposed construction is not a mosque, but rather a "Cultural Center". It will contain a prayer room, and that may make it a mosque, I'm not sure.

Second, it's not at "ground zero", but two blocks away. I've not actually been in New York, but from the movies and pictures I've seen, the blocks are really long.

Finally, it's not a "victory" anything. Many Muslims died on 9-11 and many Muslims have condemned the actions of the terrorists.

But, it is like catnip to a cat for FAUX News to trump it up as the "Ground Zero Victory Mosque". Many lemmings have jumped on the bandwagon and are appropriately afraid. The communication wing of the GOP has done its job well.
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#30958 - 08/18/10 09:56 AM Re: Obama and the Mosque [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak

Funky, you post things that make me wonder why you bother to call yourself a Christian.

You're actually asking whether or not our Lord, who is a Warrior, and who set an example for us by showing compassion upon an adulterous fornicator, protecting her from those who wanted to kill her for her failure to keep the OT Law, is any better than those who flog and stone human beings today under Sharia Law in the name of Allah???

Have you suffered a head injury, or are you denouncing Jesus Christ?
That is not a rhetorical question.
I'd really like to know.



No, I'm simply denouncing your strange logic.
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#30961 - 08/18/10 12:42 PM Re: Obama and the Mosque [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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The whole counsel of God, Beavis.
The WHOLE counsel of God.

His Word teaches that the Lord is a Warrior.
Exodus 15:3, Psalm 24:8, Revelation 19:11

The LORD is a man of war, the LORD is His name.
Who is the King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, The LORD mighty in battle. And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war.

Three holy testimonies, all teaching that the Lord is a warrior.

Christ renounced violence? Well, I suppose that would depend on your definition of violence.

Remember the parable of the wicked servant?
This is how Jesus ended that parable:

Originally Posted By: Jesus
His lord was angry, and delivered him to the tormentors, until he should pay all that was due to him. So my heavenly Father will also do to you, if you don’t each forgive your brother from your hearts for his misdeeds.


I don't see Jesus denouncing the violence implied in that parable, do you? BTW, the word "tormentors" - basanistes - means people who torture other people...like stretching them out on the rack.
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#30962 - 08/18/10 12:54 PM Re: Obama and the Mosque [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak

<lengthy bloodthirsty rant snipped>


The meek. The merciful. The pure of heart. The peacemakers.

Warriors? Right.

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#30969 - 08/18/10 06:16 PM Re: Obama and the Mosque [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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Suit yourself with your erroneous opinion of who Christ is.
Someday you will have a rude awakening.
Let's just hope it's before you take your last breath,
and not after.
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#30970 - 08/18/10 06:24 PM Re: Obama and the Mosque [Re: funkycamper]
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No, I'm simply denouncing your strange logic.


What do you consider strange logic?
The fact that God's Word says the LORD is a warrior?

Or the fact that Imam Rauf advocates Sharia Law according to Muhammad for the United States (which btw, would kiss our Constitution good-bye) and I'm not at all in favor of that scenario?
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#30974 - 08/18/10 07:18 PM Re: Obama and the Mosque [Re: ikayak]
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The logic that leads you to fear-mongering statements.

Our Constitution doesn't allow for Sharia in this country and I hope it doesn't spread to other countries either.

But what does any of this have to do with a mosque?
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#30977 - 08/18/10 08:18 PM Re: Obama and the Mosque [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak
Or the fact that Imam Rauf advocates Sharia Law according to Muhammad for the United States (which btw, would kiss our Constitution good-bye) and I'm not at all in favor of that scenario?


The revealing thing is that the same people who have tried and failed for 230 years to turn the US into a Christian theocracy, appear to think that imminent Sharia law is a realistic scenario.

That belief would qualify as stupid.
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#30980 - 08/18/10 09:11 PM Re: Obama and the Mosque [Re: Lumberjack]
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The revealing thing is that the same people who have tried and failed for 230 years to turn the US into a Christian theocracy, appear to think that imminent Sharia law is a realistic scenario.


Imminent or someday...
Do you feel no responsibility to protect your progeny of future generations?

You think that maybe Powhatan would want do-overs if he knew then the fate of the Great Tribes of North America?

How realistic do you think people in 1925 thought the Holocaust scenario was?

There are no Christian theocracies on the face of the earth.
I can count at least 8 countries in the world that practice Sharia Law, including flogging and stoning for homosexuality and adultery.
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