1. The person who originated this thread brought religion into it.

2. It's interesting that your cousin was preaching at First Baptist. I would imagine, therefore, that he is familiar with the preaching of Charles Spurgeon. I will leave you with this Spurgeon quote from the April 1868 Sword and Trowel. Perhaps you will pass it on to your cousin:

Christianity approves of holy boldness in reproof, and integrity in declaring the whole counsel of God, but Churchianity loves gaiety and frivolity, and would have a dumb dog in the pulpit, who will not rebuke it.

They don't follow Charles Spurgeon and have not dedicated their lives to Charles. That might be the difference in opinions. I don't really think they would be impressed with your suggestion nor do many real ministers need those ugly tools.

Conversations like this bring waves of nausea over me. Typeth on and I will try my best to ignore your religious posts, wherever they might turn up.

I never skip the funny pages.

I didn't suggest that they followed or dedicated their lives to Charles Spurgeon, did I? But his quote was spot on, true then, true today. The only difference between many churches (and many Christians for that matter) and the world, is the T-shirt.

"Ugly tools"? You think that holy boldness in reproof and integrity of declaring the whole counsel of God are ugly tools? If you knew the Bible you would know that they are by the commandment of God.

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Do the pastors in your family ignore that instruction?
"Real ministers" don't pick and choose which commandments of God they feel like obeying, preaching, and teaching.




Conversations concerning the whole counsel of God do many things to many people. Some are moved to rage, others to humility. They make you queasy. Pity. Honestly, I had no idea that your psyche was so fragile.

Proverbs 12:1...he who hates correction is stupid.

Well, any answer to your incomprehension to what nauseates me is in those four words. Yourself... holy.... bold and <snicker> thinking anyone would mistake you as someone who has authority to issue reproof is rich.

When I read your posts I flash back to the Alice in Wonderland scene where the caterpillar asks of Alice:

Who .. Are .. You.

I mean, really, who are you. Let me give you a clue. At the very least you have no authority except that which you have deluded yourself in thinking that you have. You are delusional in that.

This is tedious and you are not capable of understanding anyway.

And yet you shave...and eat shellfish and bacon...and hate gay people. Which means you pick and choose.

How ironic!

Are you a Christian? If not, you are the one without standing in this conversation, as you are of the world and not of Christ's Kingdom. Funky professes to be a Christian. I am a Christian. This is between two Christians and God's Word. 1 Corinthians 5:12, written to all Christians, gives me the standing as one member of the Body to another.

Funky has posted heretical views on this board. If I didn't care about her as one member of the faith to another, I would say nothing. However, it's my responsibility as a Christian to another Christian, as others have done for me in the past. That's how Christians grow in knowledge and understanding. The Apostles went toe to toe on certain issues with each other, calling one another out when needed.

So if encouraging her to think more deeply about her Christian faith and God's Word irritates your thin skin and fragile psyche, too bad. That's really not my problem.



Try to retain this 411 once and for all.
That was Levitcal law under the old covenant.
I am neither a Levite nor Jewish, never have been.
Levitical law does not apply to me, never has.
Jesus Christ mediated a new and better covenant for believers, with no shaving or dietary laws, except against eating the meat of strangled animals.




Same old tired ridiculous gay card. Pointing out that Jesus reaffirmed holy matrimony being restricted to one man marrying one woman and becoming one flesh, does not even remotely suggest or imply that Jesus and/or I "hate gay people".

I knew you you were incapable of understanding.

I understand clear biblical instruction and the responsibilities of one Christian to another.

I also understand what Christ said in John 15:18-19.