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#31248 - 09/05/10 07:32 PM Running from Obama
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From CBS News on Democrats running FROM Obama:

Democrats are much more pessimistic than they were merely three or four weeks ago. VandeHei cited a recent Gallup poll that showed Republicans with a 10-point generic edge. "They've been polling for 60 years. We've not seen a number like that."


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Smith asked his guests to try to identify the source of the discontent: "From your experience on the Hill, have you heard any Democrats in private conversations say, 'You know what? We went down the wrong road. We went after health care. We went after so many other things on the Obama agenda as opposed to, in the end of the day, it's all about creating jobs?'"

"Not only have we heard that, but we've been hearing it for months," said Cordes. "We heard it during the health care debate that dragged on for a year when the economy was so bad; they focused on health care and they focused on financial regulation.

"Americans don't feel the impact of those pieces of legislation yet," she said. "There's a lot of frustration on Capitol Hill among Democrats who feel like the President led them down this path. They didn't all necessarily want to deal with health care. This was on the president's agenda, and then they felt like he kind of hung them out to dry."

"Not a single Democrat has run an ad in support of the health care bill since April," VandeHei noted.


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What were Democrats thinking about. It is the economy, stupid.
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#31250 - 09/05/10 09:37 PM Re: Running from Obama [Re: Bogus_bill]
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Lack of financial industry regulation is what caused the crash, and failure to address health insurance reform would have doomed any meaningful recovery long-term.

It is about the economy, stupid.

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#31254 - 09/06/10 07:22 AM Re: Running from Obama [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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"So far, nothing's gotten better under the Democrats." says independent Dan Sharpe, 41, Ohio.

A new tax coming down the line supported by Wishful Thinking Math, a national debt that boggles created in the last two years and people absolutely running out of hope for working is what people see. They also see that Democrats had absolute control of the government.

That is what the public sees.

No one is running on the health insurance reform. If it was truly a good thing, that would not have been the case.
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#31256 - 09/06/10 11:37 AM Re: Running from Obama [Re: Bogus_bill]
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Once again, I'll agree that Democrats have been piss poor salespeople for their own product.

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A new tax coming down the line supported by Wishful Thinking Math


They should proudly be shouting from the rooftops, "Democrats support tax breaks for 98% of Americans and restoring the rates from the very successful Clinton era to the top 2% of Americans!"

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a national debt that boggles created in the last two years


The intollerable debt created during the Bush era has been temporarily increased in order to end the two wars created by the previous administration and clean up the rest of the mess the Bush/Cheney Regime created.

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and people absolutely running out of hope for working


Jobs is the issue of the day, without question. If the Dems cannot sell their economy fix to the public, it's going to be a long election night.

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They also see that Democrats had absolute control of the government.


Dems should be running against the Party of "No!" and the Blue Dog coalition who were the roadblocks to American prosperity.

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No one is running on the health insurance reform. If it was truly a good thing, that would not have been the case.


Those of us who wanted and expected so much more need to buck up and acknowledge the progress that was made in spite of the Party of "No!" and the LIEberman Blue Dogs. Far enough? not even close. Farther than many had ever expected possible? Yep.
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#31264 - 09/07/10 11:23 AM Re: Running from Obama [Re: Stash]
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Those of us who wanted and expected so much more need to buck up and acknowledge the progress that was made in spite of the Party of "No!" and the LIEberman Blue Dogs. Far enough? not even close. Farther than many had ever expected possible? Yep.


Yep, is right. People have no patience and expect sweeping changes to happen ASAP. It's never worked like that. Example, while the Civil Rights Act was a huge step, it only came about after many painfully small, incremental steps had already happened. Same with women's voting rights, etc.
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#31267 - 09/07/10 11:56 AM Re: Running from Obama [Re: Stash]
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From Forbes, that bastion of liberalism and flunky for the main-stream media:

The GOP’s constant kneejerk rejection of economic ideas simply for the sake of Saying No has as much to do with our current malaise as anything being done wrong in the White House. The newly-minted fiscal conservatives on the Republican side of the aisle, many of whom are themselves responsible for the $3 trillion and counting Iraq War, are like the old men in the Muppet Show who heckle from the balcony.

It’s naysaying for naysaying’s sake at this point and I hope voters will remember that their favorite Republican All-Stars are equally complicit in the crime that is 15 million unemployed 3 years into a recession.
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#31268 - 09/07/10 01:17 PM Re: Running from Obama [Re: Stash]
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That was the whole of the Democrat's political capital they spent. While nobody is saying Republicans are not responsible for more than their fair share, the truth is that during the last couple years Democrats have had absolute power within their party. Why now, way, way later are we starting to hear about an infrastructure program that would put people to work and help our crumbling roads and bridges?

The answer is that it was not important enough until the polls showed how really crappy they are doing and NOW they realize that it is jobs that are important. How else can you see it?
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#31270 - 09/07/10 05:23 PM Re: Running from Obama [Re: Bogus_bill]
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What infrastructure program are you just now hearing about? It's essentially a continuation of the same stimulus that was passed in early 2009. It's not a new thing that just started because the election's coming up, however it may be spun.
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#31271 - 09/07/10 06:01 PM Re: Running from Obama [Re: harborknight]
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Monday Obama suggested a 50 billion dollar infrastructure bill. one story about it.

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A combative President Barack Obama rolled out a long-term jobs program Monday that would exceed $50 billion to rebuild roads, railways and runways, and coupled it with a blunt campaign-season assault on Republicans for causing Americans' hard economic times.
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#31272 - 09/07/10 06:34 PM Re: Running from Obama [Re: Bogus_bill]
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Originally Posted By: Bogus_bill
the truth is that during the last couple years Democrats have had absolute power within their party.


Once in a while, you talk like you understand the Democratic Party. And then you throw "bogus" stuff up like this. Unlike the Wrong Wing, no one has "absolute power within" the Democratic Party. And, even though sometimes it's inconvenient, that's the way we like it.

You know we have the Blue Dogs and the LIEbermans. They are valuable to our party when it comes time for picking a Majority Leader, but they are on the right side of our party. We have the extreme left of our party... the Bernie Sanders, et al. To suggest that Harry Reid or Barack Obama had absolute control is ridiculous.

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Why now, way, way later are we starting to hear about an infrastructure program that would put people to work and help our crumbling roads and bridges?


There were infrastructure projects in the first phase. The sidewalks in Aberdeen and Hoquiam were among them, I think... as are the paving going on. Enough? I don't think so. I would have liked to see more building projects. Maybe this time.

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The answer is that it was not important enough until the polls showed how really crappy they are doing and NOW they realize that it is jobs that are important.


That's one way the Wrong Wing could spin it.
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#31273 - 09/07/10 07:07 PM Re: Running from Obama [Re: Stash]
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Without any Wrong Wing a casual observer could point out:

1. Obama is just now "showing" and active concern for the jobless.

2. The Democrats passed health care which is far from popular. That shows control of the party. Why could they not get us back to work with the same effort?

You can sell me on the Democrats because I know how bad the alternative is. It is a much bigger PR job to sell the unemployed who only have their vote to let those in power know they are dissatisfied. The Democrats are in power.

It is their point of view I expressed.
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