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#39555 - 11/26/11 10:59 PM Re: Top 10 Signs You're a Fundy: [Re: Bogus_bill]
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Christ wrote no Gospels.


Tell us why...if you can.
(Hint: Jesus tells us why in scripture.)

BTW, there is only ONE Gospel...and it is THE GOSPEL of Jesus Christ...as given in the Holy Bible.

Also, btw, Luke was not a Jew, so the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Luke was not written having "to reflect a lot of Jewish beliefs".

And all scripture is given by inspiration of God.
You post as though Christ was dissociated from scripture.

The Gospel as recorded in the OT (Jesus surely would have reminded Cleopas of this):

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Isaiah 52:13-15 See, my servant will act wisely; he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted. Just as there were many who were appalled at him -- his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred beyond human likeness -- so will he sprinkle many nations, and kings will shut their mouths because of him. For what they were not told, they will see, and what they have not heard, they will understand.

Isaiah 53:1-12 Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken. He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand. After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.



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Whatever science he really knew is not recorded but the point that he did not seem to teaching science is obvious.


"Whatever science he really knew"

There you go again.
He was fully God, omniscient.
Do you know what the word "omniscient" means?
You mention thinking logically.
Considering the definition of "omniscient", utilizing logic, whatever science do you imagine He did not really know?

"He was interested in spiritual things."

"Interested"?
Jesus was dedicated to doing His Father’s will and devoted to His Father’s glory unto torture and death.
That's spiritual and goes way beyond "interested".


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You first attack the other person's knowledge with one of your "if you understood scripture" statements. Really, the discussion is pretty much over there. No one can discuss anything with you. You are just so superior everyone...and an opportunity is lost.


Attack? Did Jesus attack Cleopas? Did Cleopas say "whoa, dude, you attacked, wounded, and insulted me by saying I was foolish and inferring I don't know scripture, so the discussion is pretty much over now. I can't discuss with you"...?

It doesn't have anything to do with superiority. Your responses indicate you are not familiar with the whole counsel of God as recorded in scripture. If you don't like it pointed out, then demonstrate more knowledge of scripture in your posts.


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Good for you. No need to think things through logically, you only need a blanket statement like this and you have it made.


If you pick and choose which scripture you will believe and which scripture you will not believe, you design and adhere to your own religion. Logically, that's not Christ's (God's) Christianity.


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Eventually you have to insult. Ilky, Ilky...


And you're always so gracious and complimentary with your standard "Ilky" designation.

I refuse to coddle disingenuous (and hypocritical) adults.
If you choose to feel insulted and wounded, suit yourself.
It only confirms my observation.
Personally, I consider indulging in such childish ego-centric poor-me-I'm-insulted feelings a huge waste of precious and limited time on earth.


Originally Posted By: funky
We've just had this conversation dozens of times already.


And you've run away one dozen and one. If you can't stand up for and give a cogent argument from your beliefs, they are worth nothing...worthless. But you already know that, don't you? That's why you run away.

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#39557 - 11/27/11 04:42 AM Re: Top 10 Signs You're a Fundy: [Re: ikayak]
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I refuse to coddle disingenuous (and hypocritical) adults.
If you choose to feel insulted and wounded, suit yourself.
It only confirms my observation.
Personally, I consider indulging in such childish ego-centric poor-me-I'm-insulted feelings a huge waste of precious and limited time on earth.


A totally predictable answer. It assumes my respect and that I could be insulted by you, lacks the understanding that I was poking fun at you to start with about being wounded, and totally nauseating in it's whole self important nastiness.

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Originally Posted By: funky
We've just had this conversation dozens of times already.


And you've run away one dozen and one. If you can't stand up for and give a cogent argument from your beliefs, they are worth nothing...worthless. But you already know that, don't you? That's why you run away.


Refusing to play your silly games equals running away? Right. But here is a guarantee:

You won't get it, any of it. I, and I am guessing funky, are trying to tell you the same thing: Done playing with your goofiness and wondering you are wasting your precious and limited time on earth with us anyway.

The next tangent you go on will be unread by myself as it has been in the past.
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#39558 - 11/27/11 07:48 AM Re: Top 10 Signs You're a Fundy: [Re: Bogus_bill]
ikayak Offline
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A totally predictable answer. It assumes my respect and that I could be insulted by you, lacks the understanding that I was poking fun at you to start with about being wounded, and totally nauseating in it's whole self important nastiness.




Do you really think that I didn't know that you were feigning?


Hence the word I used: "DISINGENUOUS".


Who's playing nasty self-important little games, Mr. Bill?


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The next tangent you go on will be unread by myself as it has been in the past.



And miss another opportunity to be disingenuous, belittle, and poke fun at me?
Must be holiday spirit...you know, the peace and goodwill stuff.

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#39624 - 12/01/11 10:09 AM Re: Top 10 Signs You're a Fundy: [Re: ikayak]
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And miss another opportunity to be disingenuous, belittle, and poke fun at me?
Must be holiday spirit...you know, the peace and goodwill stuff.


This was an accident. I clicked on the last post in the wrong forum and read your reply. And I am going to reply:

First I don't know you or who you are. Subconsciously I know there is a person behind every post but I have been debating on forums for a very long time and tend to forget that others might take insults personally. I was wrong in forgetting.

I used to make a rule to never, ever post in the religious forum but I read them because you can learn so much about people. My attempt to steer the conversation to why anyone needs to believe the Bible is anything other than a spiritual guide was doomed and I should have known it.

So now I really will bow out of this forum with the above half-assed apology. Why the reply? Maybe it is holiday spirit. Maybe it is because I know I was wrong.
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