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#39251 - 11/14/11 11:20 PM Re: Founded on Christian principles. [Re: Thumper]
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Originally Posted By: Thumper
Are you saying atheist are liars?


Religious folk do not have a lock on the liar market. Liars come in all stripes. Just like you don't have to have a god to be good, being an atheist doesn't guarantee it either.

It is difficult to get elected to national office in America without a picture of you and the family in the pew. I think many politicians have been deceptive regarding religion in order to placate those voters who demand it. As more and more atheists go public... and they will... it will be easier for future candidates to tell the truth.

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#39252 - 11/14/11 11:26 PM Re: Founded on Christian principles. [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak
Originally Posted By: Barack Obama 2008
I am a Christian


So in your opinion: liar or fool?




I don't know. One cannot know for sure if another buys the hooey or is faking it for pragamatic reasons. I know he would never have been elected if he had said he was an atheist. Neither would Bush the Younger, or Clinton, or Bush the Elder, or RayGun, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
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#39253 - 11/15/11 07:07 AM Re: Founded on Christian principles. [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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Or he's willing to do what it takes to accomplish his political goals, which makes him a politician.


Which does not negate Stash's inference that he's either a liar or a fool.


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So, using those criteria, would you consider yourself a fool, then?


It's foolishness only to those who are perishing.


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Or is it possible that Obama--like you--genuinely believes?


In his own power, it is impossible. But with God, it is possible.
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#39256 - 11/15/11 07:14 PM Re: Founded on Christian principles. [Re: ikayak]
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