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#39156 - 11/10/11 04:37 PM Elections
MWMI Offline
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Registered: 12/23/08
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As some of you may be aware by now Simpson has been retained as mayor. The will of those that took the time to vote must be honored.

While disappointed a little over half feel status quo is a good thing it was good to know nearly half of those who voted wanted change. Simpson should not take this vote as a ringing endorsement of his campaign but a wake up call that there are many who feel just getting by is not enough. In order to grow we must take chances and be willing to change otherwise Aberdeen will continue on the same path it has for the last 25 years.

With that said I will be back in four years because I strongly believe change needs to happen.

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#39158 - 11/10/11 06:28 PM Re: Elections [Re: MWMI]
Wally B Offline
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Registered: 11/10/08
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Thanks for stepping forward.

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#39177 - 11/11/11 02:59 PM Re: Elections [Re: MWMI]
Jewels Offline
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Registered: 07/08/08
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Loc: State of Confusion (a.k.a. Abe...
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#39184 - 11/11/11 08:32 PM Re: Elections [Re: Jewels]
Matlockian Offline
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Registered: 03/15/11
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Kinda surprised at that result. I'm not sure how to read that. While I don't live in Aberdeen, although I once did briefly, and I'm out of the loop on the wrong side of the newspaper paywall, I thought things had hit bottom far enough for some electorate rehab time, or just plain time for change. Perhaps this is partially a reflection of the older voter demographic? I've never met Fritts as far as I know but I thought he came forward with some clear ideas. And, Simpson seems okay, I even bought a pair of pants from him once, but ... really?

And I gotta be honest, every time I drive through downtown Aberdeen now (and sometimes walk around a bit too), which is every few months or so, it looks just a bit worse. I think its more noticeable when you don't see it everyday. Really sad. I first came into the area in the late 80's. The difference between then and now is, well, significant. Can't see older status quo doing anything to change that decline, like thinking big and getting ahead of it.

I'm curious, any armchair quarterbacking on this election result? Should I not be surprised at the outcome?

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#39188 - 11/12/11 12:12 AM Re: Elections [Re: Matlockian]
Stash Offline
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Registered: 07/08/08
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Loc: State of Euphoria
Quote:
Should I not be surprised at the outcome?


I was surprised, too.
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#39192 - 11/12/11 08:07 AM Re: Elections [Re: Matlockian]
Strider Offline
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Registered: 07/10/08
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Loc: Aberlachia
Color me disappointed, but not surprised.

Why?

1.The active electorate trends older. Older people don't like change.

2.Fritts has a bit of a reputation as a loose cannon (welcome to that club, Paul--don't apologize and don't radically change). Simpson was accurately branded as a 'don't rock the boat' type, and tried to capitalize on it at the end.

3.Neither candidate laid out any grand proposals. Business as usual has always been Simpson's modus operandi. Fritts only said things like: let's talk about the police department, or how we pay for street improvements, or what might we do about downtown. No real gameplan was laid out. We should have already been aware of specific gameplans on such topics, based on two terms on council.

4.Aberdeen has not come close to hitting bottom, collectively. There still is not much public discussion, or consensus acknowledgement, of either how bad things are, or that it might be within our local control to make changes that matter. The chamber of commerce 'rah rah rah' mindset still prevails--and not without basis due to the dramatic upturn at the Port. The nature of the public discussion will have to change before the political atmosphere is forced to change.

5.Fritts did not get in any jabs at Simpson. Bluntly, he needed to point out some examples of why a change of personalities was a good idea. Simpson took a swing whenever he could think of something to swing at. This made Paul distracted and defensive.

6.Union endorsements probably hurt as much as they helped. Fritts was already cast as being nothing more than a public safety advocate, and that was where he got endorsements--including from a statewide group that should not have expressed any interest in a local election.

7.Campaign flyers were weak in content--from both candidates. Money wasted.

8.I think Fritts assumed that a vote for Cobb in the primaries was likely a vote for him in the generals. All those votes for Cobb really meant was that those people preferred Cobb over Simpson or Fritts. once Cobb was out of the picture, those votes were up for grabs, and, guess what, they probably were mostly older voters.

I could go on with several other lesser observations. Where Aberdeen chooses to go from here will be dictated by the public discussion. Those of us who want change need to take control of the discussion.

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#39197 - 11/12/11 11:11 AM example of jab... [Re: Strider]
Strider Offline
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...that should have been taken.

Mr. Bill has repeatedly been quoted in print as saying he has 'season tickets' to all concerts at the D&R. Since individual tickets prices are somewhat spendy for most of the shows, this seems like an expensive proposition. The number of shows seems to be a big variable. Many venues do offer season packages, but guess what, the D&R does not, at least at this time.

It seems reasonable to conclude that our esteemed mayor has been 'comped' untold hundreds, or thousands, of dollars in tickets. There is, of course, nothing wrong or illegal about a business doing such a thing, but the recipient politician, who might have favors to grant, faces stricter scrutiny. Gifts must be disclosed, and an occasional recusal is to be expected.

Curious how the local media never picked up on this either.

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#39201 - 11/12/11 01:21 PM Re: example of jab... [Re: Strider]
Stash Offline
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Originally Posted By: Strider
...that should have been taken.

Mr. Bill has repeatedly been quoted in print as saying he has 'season tickets' to all concerts at the D&R. Since individual tickets prices are somewhat spendy for most of the shows, this seems like an expensive proposition. The number of shows seems to be a big variable. Many venues do offer season packages, but guess what, the D&R does not, at least at this time.

It seems reasonable to conclude that our esteemed mayor has been 'comped' untold hundreds, or thousands, of dollars in tickets. There is, of course, nothing wrong or illegal about a business doing such a thing, but the recipient politician, who might have favors to grant, faces stricter scrutiny. Gifts must be disclosed, and an occasional recusal is to be expected.

Curious how the local media never picked up on this either.


I would have thought this would come up, also. In addition, I was interested in the ability for another entity to get the banner across Wishkah consistently. I've tried to get information from the city about how a business does that. I always get "You need to talk to ...." and then someone sends you somewhere else. At one time the Mayor indicated it was non-profit entities and the D & R was one. Of course it is not. And, I don't have a problem with the banners at all. I just want the The Driftwood Theater, or The Bishop Center, or Selmer's, or J.C. Penney's to put up a banner hyping a big sale or event at their entity as well.
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#39202 - 11/12/11 01:52 PM Re: Elections [Re: Strider]
MWMI Offline
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Registered: 12/23/08
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1.The active electorate trends older. Older people don't like change.

True but I do need to point out I was pleasantly surprised how many older people I ran into during doorbelling or while doing things around town who told me in no uncertain terms Aberdeen was desperate for change. On this subject though one lady who I would estimate to be in her mid-80’s had one of the funniest quotes to me while doorbelling. While I was speaking with her she pointed to herself and said, “The biggest problem is there are to many of us”. I couldn’t help but laugh.


2.Fritts has a bit of a reputation as a loose cannon (welcome to that club, Paul--don't apologize and don't radically change). Simpson was accurately branded as a 'don't rock the boat' type, and tried to capitalize on it at the end.

I don’t plan on changing.


3.Neither candidate laid out any grand proposals. Business as usual has always been Simpson's modus operandi. Fritts only said things like: let's talk about the police department, or how we pay for street improvements, or what might we do about downtown. No real gameplan was laid out. We should have already been aware of specific gameplans on such topics, based on two terms on council.

I mostly disagree with this. I laid out specific plans on how to improve the downtown area i.e. enforcement of building codes, the transient issues, attracting different business, new attitude toward those “sacred cow” buildings, etc. The question of the police department was brought up by others. I answered the questions. Streets are a huge issue with the public as found by doorbelling. I answered how I thought the improvements should be done and paid for (the idea came from Larry Bledsoe obviously I just agreed it was the right move) You are only given so much “ink” by the media so have to get in as much as possible in a little time. Additionally if you think about it you contradict yourself with talk about grand proposals. As you stated older people do not like change so if you go to grand you have the potential of scaring people off.



4.Aberdeen has not come close to hitting bottom, collectively. There still is not much public discussion, or consensus acknowledgement, of either how bad things are, or that it might be within our local control to make changes that matter. The chamber of commerce 'rah rah rah' mindset still prevails--and not without basis due to the dramatic upturn at the Port. The nature of the public discussion will have to change before the political atmosphere is forced to change.

Agree.


5.Fritts did not get in any jabs at Simpson. Bluntly, he needed to point out some examples of why a change of personalities was a good idea. Simpson took a swing whenever he could think of something to swing at. This made Paul distracted and defensive.

Actually I did but did not really receive much coverage about it. Bad timing on my part probably. I’m not sure I really became defensive or distractred. If you are referring to the Ed Board that was a discussion that occurred and me answering bogus statements made by Simpson inthat meeting .


6.Union endorsements probably hurt as much as they helped. Fritts was already cast as being nothing more than a public safety advocate, and that was where he got endorsements--including from a statewide group that should not have expressed any interest in a local election.

The problem here is the only groups who sought out the candidates and met with them were the unions. Not one community organization or any local business group sought to meet with the candidates and/or express their opinions on the candidates. Simpson continually lied stating he never sought the endorsements of the unions. He attended the same meetings and was asked the same questions as me with the full hope of obtaining these same endorsements. Additionally when the first one came down (from the Fire Union) Simpson left quite the nasty message on the union presidents cell phone voicemail. For someone not seeking an endorsement I found that interesting. They chose not to make that public and I respected their decision. I had nothing to do with the statewide endorsement. First I knew the group considered it was when I was informed I received it.



7.Campaign flyers were weak in content--from both candidates. Money wasted.

Feel free to design a better flyer. You have only so much room to fit a lot of info. Not too mention money in trying to come up with one you can afford to print is a factor. Probably mine would look a bit different with hindsight being 20/20.


8.I think Fritts assumed that a vote for Cobb in the primaries was likely a vote for him in the generals. All those votes for Cobb really meant was that those people preferred Cobb over Simpson or Fritts. once Cobb was out of the picture, those votes were up for grabs, and, guess what, they probably were mostly older voters.

Never once made this assumption. Hoped, but never assumed. I knew every vote for her was up for grabs.


I could go on with several other lesser observations. Where Aberdeen chooses to go from here will be dictated by the public discussion. Those of us who want change need to take control of the discussion.

I guess one final observation would be the area I was completely destroyed in, precint by votes, was the Bel Aire/Herbig Heights area. No real answer for it other than to say the one part of town who wanted change the least was on the hill. Haven’t figured that one out completely.

In the end the important part for me was could I look myslef in the mirror after the election no matter the result? The answer is yes. I had told my wife in the beginning I would not change what I say or do just to get elected. I managed to stick to that. To many people even here locally including my previous opponent say only what they think people want to hear and are afraid to rock the boat or take chances so they can get elected. Maybe in the end this is who the electorate will always pick but if I stooped to that I don't think I could ever live with it.

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#39203 - 11/12/11 02:03 PM Re: Elections [Re: MWMI]
Strider Offline
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Registered: 07/10/08
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I look forward to working with you on future campaigns, including council size reduction. It seems to me a charter change to allow a city manager would also be a good move.

In any event, congrats on a noble try.

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