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#39261 - 11/18/11 07:01 AM Proud to be an American
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From the country that gave the world the drone which has revolutionized war where you no longer have to risk a life to take a life:

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The Pentagon on Thursday held a successful test flight of a flying bomb that travels faster than the speed of sound and will give military planners the ability to strike targets anywhere in the world in less than a hour.

Launched by rocket from Hawaii at 1130 GMT, the "Advanced Hypersonic Weapon," or AHW, glided through the upper atmosphere over the Pacific "at hypersonic speed" before hitting its target on the Kwajalein atoll in the Marshall Islands, a Pentagon statement said.

Kwajalein is about 2,500 miles (4,000 kilometers) southwest of Hawaii. The Pentagon did not say what top speeds were reached by the vehicle, which unlike a ballistic missile is maneuverable.

Scientists classify hypersonic speeds as those that exceed Mach 5 -- or five times the speed of sound -- 3,728 miles (6,000 kilometers) an hour.

The test aimed to gather data on "aerodynamics, navigation, guidance and control, and thermal protection technologies," said Lieutenant Colonel Melinda Morgan, a Pentagon spokeswoman.

The Pentagon has invested 239.9 million dollars in the Global Strike program this year, including 69 million for the flying bomb tested Thursday, CRS said.


Tax dollars at work.

It is almost enough to make you weep. I guess it is better to be a leader than to try to catch up with these type technologies but with all of our great and creative minds, why an expensive bomb that you just know we are going to use? Why?
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#39262 - 11/18/11 11:34 AM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: Bogus_bill]
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Originally Posted By: Bogus_bill
why an expensive bomb that you just know we are going to use? Why?


You already seemed to have answered it.

Originally Posted By: Bogus_bill
you no longer have to risk a life to take a life


"Often the test of courage is not to die but to live." Conte Vittorio Alfieri

War seems to be a little more palatable to some people when you don’t have waves of troops storming beaches for a few acres of land.
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#39263 - 11/18/11 12:26 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: Madicarus]
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It's welfare for arms manufacturers.

Spend that same amount of money to feed starving children in this country, and every teabagpublicanertarian will be screaming bloody murder. Waste it on "hypersonic weapons", however, and it's "GAWWWD BLESSS UHMERICUH, LAAAAAND THAT I LUUUUV..."

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#39264 - 11/18/11 03:58 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: Madicarus]
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Spend the money on "hypersonic weapons" weapons to defend our nation and every occufuckdemosocialist will be screaming bloody murder from their dendrophiliac patchouli wearing face holes. Steal it from the rich to feed welfare leaches and it's:

Die Fahne hoch! Die Reihen fest geschlossen!
SA marschiert mit ruhig, festem Schritt.
Kam'raden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen,
Marschier'n im Geist in unser'n Reihen mit.

Die Straße frei den braunen Batallionen.
Die Straße frei dem Sturmabteilungsmann!
Es schau'n aufs Hakenkreuz voll Hoffnung schon Millionen.
Der Tag für Freiheit und für Brot bricht an!

Zum letzten Mal wird Sturmalarm geblasen!
Zum Kampfe steh'n wir alle schon bereit!
Bald flattern Hitlerfahnen über alle Straßen.
Die Knechtschaft dauert nur noch kurze Zeit!

Die Fahne hoch! Die Reihen fest geschlossen!
SA marschiert mit ruhig-festem Schritt.
Kameraden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen,
Marschieren im Geist in unseren Reihen mit.



Edited by 5th (11/18/11 04:01 PM)
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#39265 - 11/18/11 05:04 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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I wonder what would happen if there wasn't a "leader" in the arms race? Would we quit having an arms race?

I can understand how the rest of the world can see us as the evil empire. We are the masters of war and not afraid to use it on anyone who has something we want.
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#39266 - 11/18/11 05:54 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: Beavis H. Christ]
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Spend that same amount of money to feed starving children in this country, and every teabagpublicanertarian will be screaming bloody murder


Except for the fact that Republicans give far more time and money to charitable organizations than do Demoncrats...and they donate more blood, too.

How many bags of groceries are you planning to drop off to your less fortunate neighbors next week, Beav?
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#39267 - 11/18/11 07:52 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: Bogus_bill]
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The question is what are we going to give up?
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#39268 - 11/18/11 08:22 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: ikayak]
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Bullshit.
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#39269 - 11/18/11 09:17 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: ikayak]
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Except for the fact that Republicans give far more time and money to charitable organizations than do Demoncrats...and they donate more blood, too.


"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why are they poor, they call me a Communist." - Dom Hélder Pessoa Câmara
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#39270 - 11/18/11 10:03 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: imhotep]
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#39271 - 11/19/11 01:02 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: Thumper]
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Those articles indicate that tithing to their church is included in the giving amounts. Not that giving to your church is a bad thing but I can see how that would skew the numbers. Unless I missed it, I'm not seeing where any analysis was done of dollars just given to secular organizations. Also, the articles also referenced other studies done showing different results indicating that the issue really isn't settled one way or the other. Ya know, the "there are lies, damn lies, and statistics" issue (paraphrasing the famous quote as I'm not sure if I'm remembering it right). So, I'm taking all that with a grain of salt.
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#39272 - 11/19/11 01:27 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: Thumper]
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All you have to do is use your brain and you too would call the claim bullshit rather than merely Googling it and regurgitating a couple links without word one.

The purveyors of such rubbish are contemptible. The conflating of political ideology and moral behavior is simply an ugly manifestation of a dirty trick playing political machine.

What is it that Ellsworth Toohey said?

"Suspend reason and you play it deuces wild. Anything goes in any manner you wish whenever you need it. You’ve got him. Can you rule a thinking man? We don’t want any thinking men."
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#39274 - 11/19/11 02:11 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: imhotep]
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Talk is cheap, I looked it up, this is what I found.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html?_r=2
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Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for generous government spending to help the neediest people at home and abroad. Yet when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, liberals are cheapskates.


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All you have to do is use your brain and you too would call the claim bullshit rather than merely Googling it and regurgitating a couple links without word one.

The purveyors of such rubbish are contemptible. The conflating of political ideology and moral behavior is simply an ugly manifestation of a dirty trick playing political machine.


Simply typing Bullshit seems worse than actually posting articles that support the argument.
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#39278 - 11/19/11 04:45 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: funkycamper]
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Are the words Republican and conservative interchangeable? Democrat and liberal? I grew up in a household that was strongly Democrat and strongly conservative.

Sometimes it seems that these articles and studies are making assumptions that might not be all that true.
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#39298 - 11/20/11 10:02 AM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: funkycamper]
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Unless I missed it, I'm not seeing where any analysis was done of dollars just given to secular organizations.


Are you inferring that secular charity organizations are superior to Christian charity organizations?

Ar you inferring a criticism of Christians who give only to Christian charities? Three of my highly rated favorites: Matthew 25 Ministries, Medical Teams International, Compassion International.

As far as imhotep's "BS" BS...maybe he'd like to submit his own donation record as "proof". I'd stack my charitable giving up against his any day. I don't think anyone on this board would consider me a liberal...and for sure he is one. I mean...just look at his intelligent post responses. lol.
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#39300 - 11/20/11 10:17 AM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: funkycamper]
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"Actually, the truth is that they're giving to more than their churches," he says. "The religious Americans are more likely to give to every kind of cause and charity, including explicitly non-religious charities."


http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=2#.TslDcz0SYkk
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#39301 - 11/20/11 10:48 AM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: Bogus_bill]
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In today's world, yes. Unfortunately lines in the sand are being drawn.

conservative = republican
liberal = democrat

The difficult part is drowning out the loudest of the groups as well, Racists and Socialist. Wait. The liberal/democrat group has racists too. As demonstrated by Beavis' voting criteria.

It may be time for a 3rd party. Maybe even a 4th as well. It's too bad that both current parties are culpable for stacking the chips in their favor thus negating the voice of the majority of Americans.
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#39307 - 11/20/11 12:20 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak
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Unless I missed it, I'm not seeing where any analysis was done of dollars just given to secular organizations.


Are you inferring that secular charity organizations are superior to Christian charity organizations?

Ar you inferring a criticism of Christians who give only to Christian charities? Three of my highly rated favorites: Matthew 25 Ministries, Medical Teams International, Compassion International.

As far as imhotep's "BS" BS...maybe he'd like to submit his own donation record as "proof". I'd stack my charitable giving up against his any day. I don't think anyone on this board would consider me a liberal...and for sure he is one. I mean...just look at his intelligent post responses. lol.



I guess you missed this sentence "Not that giving to your church is a bad thing but I can see how that would skew the numbers." immediately preceding the one you quoted. So, no, I'm not in any way inferring either of those. Nice try.

Your response to Imhotep is crass, childish and unnecessary. You've already told us ad nauseum how perfect you are. How can we forget?
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#39308 - 11/20/11 12:26 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: Thumper]
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"Actually, the truth is that they're giving to more than their churches," he says. "The religious Americans are more likely to give to every kind of cause and charity, including explicitly non-religious charities."


http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=2#.TslDcz0SYkk


That may be true and I hope it is. I think it's a mistake to assume that all church goers/givers are conservatives and/or Republicans.

One thing I've noticed over the years and, yeah, this is purely anecdotal and, therefore, just my observation so take it for what it is, but in all the organizations I've donated time to, most of the worker-bees tend to consider themselves Democrats while those who cut a check but can't be bothered to spend any time working at any event/activity tend to be those who consider themselves Republican. Of course, the checks are appreciated but it can take a lot of work to cut loose those checks and I don't think that should be discounted.

So, to me, it would be interesting to know how many hours of work are being given to various charitable organizations by the various political persuasions.
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#39315 - 11/20/11 02:52 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: funkycamper]
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One demonstration that religion is a strong determinant of charitable behavior is that the least charitable cohort is a relatively small one -- secular conservatives.
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#39318 - 11/20/11 04:21 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: funkycamper]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak
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Unless I missed it, I'm not seeing where any analysis was done of dollars just given to secular organizations.


Are you inferring that secular charity organizations are superior to Christian charity organizations?

Ar you inferring a criticism of Christians who give only to Christian charities? Three of my highly rated favorites: Matthew 25 Ministries, Medical Teams International, Compassion International.

As far as imhotep's "BS" BS...maybe he'd like to submit his own donation record as "proof". I'd stack my charitable giving up against his any day. I don't think anyone on this board would consider me a liberal...and for sure he is one. I mean...just look at his intelligent post responses. lol.



I guess you missed this sentence "Not that giving to your church is a bad thing but I can see how that would skew the numbers." immediately preceding the one you quoted. So, no, I'm not in any way inferring either of those. Nice try.

Your response to Imhotep is crass, childish and unnecessary. You've already told us ad nauseum how perfect you are. How can we forget?


No...I didn't miss it. Just clarifying ftr.

My response to the "BS" goes straight to his "BS". Far from being crass, it's a willingness to show practice in support of research in a specific area that liberal bleeding hearts often just pay lip service.

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You've already told us ad nauseum how perfect you are. How can we forget?


Speaking of BS...do you save your bull pies for emergency fuel? I've posted more than once that I am not perfect...that's why I need Jesus Christ as my Savior and Redeemer. Weren't they teaching that when you went to MYF...or did you, as usual, just think you knew better when they did?
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#39326 - 11/21/11 10:03 AM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: ikayak]
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I'm not at all surprised Republicans give more blood. They are perfectly content spilling it.
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#39408 - 11/22/11 06:31 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: mdean]
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Exxxxxxxxxxxxxxcept for the "blood spilled" during the firebombings of more than 60 Japanese cities and atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki: Dem.

Involvement and escalation in Vietnam: Dems.

More than tripled number of drone attacks in Pakistan: Dem.
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#39473 - 11/23/11 04:26 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: ikayak]
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#39484 - 11/23/11 09:05 PM Re: Proud to be an American [Re: mdean]
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http://clarkcountypolitics.blogspot.com/2011/02/democrat-coingressman-urges-union.html

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Democrat congressman urges union members to spill blood.
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Sometimes it's necessary to get out on the streets and "get a little bloody,"
a Massachusetts Democrat said Tuesday in reference to labor battles in Wisconsin.


And just think, this was written shortly after the Tucson shootings.

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