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#39302 - 11/20/11 11:01 AM Parental Rights under attack
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The 30 min movie is horrifying.




@Stash: Since your "OK" with Federal authority superseding State Rights, Are you OK with UN codes and regulations superseding US Law?
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#39304 - 11/20/11 11:41 AM Re: Parental Rights under attack [Re: 5th]
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Every member of the United Nations has signed the convention on Children's Rights. Somalia and the United States have yet to ratify it. Somalia, the country that seems to have no government, plans to ratify it soon. This will leave the United States as the only member nation of the UN to not recognize the rights of children on an international level.

Now, I submit the USA probably stands firm on the child's right to work for a corporation anywhere in the world... even Newt has come out now condemn Child Labor Laws.

I know at least one fundamentalist Christian State Senator who has argued in committee that beating one's child is a parental right up and until the point of drawing blood and the state should stay out of parental non-bloody, beating policies. This statement was a while ago and he may have tempered and moved down to non-bruising by now. I don't know.

To answer your specific question, UN codes and regulations do not and should not supercede the US Law. But, if we as a nation choose to adopt the Convention, it would be melded into our laws. Like the Geneva Convention. The UN adopted it. The US adopted it. We support it. We don't torture our prisoners....

er... never mind that right now.

So, the quick and dirty answer is, if the United States ratifies this, I would expect the United States to uphold it.

I've read it. I'm wonder with what specific provision of Convention on the Rights of the Child do you disagree? Each nation has the right to ratify with reservations. Even Iran ratified it with reservations against anything going against Islamic Law.
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#39309 - 11/20/11 12:33 PM Re: Parental Rights under attack [Re: Stash]
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Originally Posted By: Jackie Ammons
However, the CRC’s greatest flaw is not that it compromises personal ethics but that it is structurally unsound. One of the CRC’s inherent contradictions is that it attempts to give children the rights of an adult while ignoring the fact that a child is legally a minor—and for a reason. Countries create laws establishing an age of majority based on when society has determined maturing adolescents are capable of making rational, adult decisions. For instance, because of the CRC mandates “the full and harmonious development” of a child, which convention supporters take to mean a mandate for sex education, it potentially makes it easier for pregnant women under the age of 18 to receive abortions without parental permission or knowledge. This policy conflicts with laws in some countries or states that do not allow children under the age of 18 to undergo surgery without either parental permission or knowledge. Furthermore, the CRC’s preamble claims to protect the rights of the child “before birth” but treats the fetus of minors as some kind of special exception, undeserved of protection. Whether the CRC is pro-life or pro-choice is rather murky.



Originally Posted By: Jackie Ammons
The CRC is perhaps a useful document in countries that do not function well, do not have consistent child protection laws, or encounter human rights problems that need oversight by a third party, such as the UN or International Criminal Court. However, for countries with functioning legal systems that uphold basic human rights, the CRC’s legal control is problematic, as its contradictions undermine national sovereignty and its stated goals. In such cases, signing the CRC—much less ratifying it—is a concession to groupthink rather than a necessary societal change.


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Seemed easier to quote a woman I agree with. Plus I don't feel like quoting Jefferson, ya know the one about localizing governments.
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#39312 - 11/20/11 12:41 PM Re: Parental Rights under attack [Re: 5th]
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I was booed off the floor of the 1988 Washington State Democratic Convention for speaking against an amendment adding "age" to the rights clause for abortion. The proponents wanted a pregnancy councelor and my then 11 year old daughter to be able to make a decision regarding an abortion without telling her parents.

You'll note Ms. Ammons states, "supporters take to mean...".

I am a supporter that does not "take it to mean" parents need not be notified.
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#39313 - 11/20/11 12:51 PM Re: Parental Rights under attack [Re: Stash]
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Bravo. Anybody booed by Democrats is a friend indeed.


Ms. Ammons "supporters take to mean...". was duly noted. And because of this notation I am a non supporter, should it ever be ratified you and I will be booed off another floor.


Edited by 5th (11/20/11 01:57 PM)
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#39317 - 11/20/11 04:19 PM Re: Parental Rights under attack [Re: 5th]
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Originally Posted By: 5th
Ms. Ammons "supporters take to mean...". was duly noted. And because of this notation I am a non supporter, should it ever be ratified you and I will be booed off another floor.


If you base your opinion of such a significant document from the writings of a summer intern, I submit your opinions would be fairly shallow. I inferred her opinion piece to mean, "the supporters I know take it to mean..."

I would probably fall into the catagory of "supporters she doesn't know."
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