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#40100 - 12/20/11 07:00 AM Lie of the Year
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The Finalists

President Obama "went around the world and apologized for America." -- Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney

The Obama administration's review of obsolete regulations was "unprecedented." -- President Barack Obama

The vaccine to prevent HPV can cause mental retardation. -- Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann

"Republicans voted to end Medicare." -- The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and other Democrats

Abortion services are "well over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does." -- Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.

Because of more restrictive voting laws, Republicans "want to literally drag us all the way back to Jim Crow laws." -- Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., and head of the Democratic National Committee

Scientists are "questioning the original idea that man-made global warming is what is causing the climate to change. … (It is) more and more being put into question."-- Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry

Congressional Republicans have introduced dozens of bills on social issues and other topics, but "zero on job creation." -- Facebook posts

The economic stimulus created "zero jobs." -- The National Republican Senatorial Committee and other Republicans

"I didn't raise taxes once." -- President Barack Obama

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#40104 - 12/20/11 08:16 AM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: Bogus_bill]
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This one is ridiculous, too:

Barack Obama: The Man Who Got Osama Bin Laden
May 2, 2011
By Jason Easley, Politicususa


Bachmann's, Kyl's, and Wasserman's also score particularly high on the "you can't be serious" scale.

But the year's not over.
And they just keep coming every day.
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#40105 - 12/20/11 08:22 AM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak

This one is ridiculous, too:

Barack Obama: The Man Who Got Osama Bin Laden


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#40107 - 12/20/11 08:28 AM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: Lumberjack]
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There ya have it.
Sitting right there in DC.
NOT in POCkistaHn.
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#40108 - 12/20/11 08:45 AM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: Bogus_bill]
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2) Is debatable. Politifact argues that Clinton did more. The fact that this is a bragging point is of more concern. Deregulation is the root cause of every mess we are in.

4) Is true. If you replace the FBI with a system of vouchers for people to buy mercenary protection on the open market, but call the new program FBI, you have ended the previous program.

6) Rand Paul has said that he'd repeal the civil rights act.
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Maddow:... How about desegregating lunch counters?
Paul: Well what it gets into then is if you decide that restaurants are publicly owned and not privately owned, then do you say that you should have the right to bring your gun into a restaurant even though the owner of the restaurant says 'well no, we don't want to have guns in here' the bar says 'we don't want to have guns in here because people might drink and start fighting and shoot each-other.' Does the owner of the restaurant own his restaurant? Or does the government own his restaurant? These are important philosophical debates but not a very practical discussion...
Maddow: Well, it was pretty practical to the people who had the life nearly beaten out of them trying to desegregate Walgreen's lunch counters despite these esoteric debates about what it means about ownership. This is not a hypothetical Dr. Paul.
Some obviously do.

8) Republicans ran for office on the idea that government can't do anything right. Their tool box consists of 3 square pegs labeled "corporate welfare", "tax cuts for the rich" and "give tax money to christian churches" each round hole problem presented to them will have one of these square pegs driven into it.
Their "job creating" efforts are no different. If I do faith healing on my car or hire an exorcist out of a belief that tools are instruments of the devil, and "are not the solution, but the problem", am I really "working on it"?
Government is a tool, and elected officials are the mechanics. A mechanic who believes the tool that has been entrusted to them is unsuitable for any purpose, will be as useless at their job as elected Republicans have proven to be.

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"Do you deny that you are a man who wants to redistribute wealth?" O'Reilly asked.

Obama first noted the conservatism of the Wall Street Journal's editorial page, then denied the charge "absolutely."

"I didn't raise taxes once. I lowered taxes over the last two years," Obama said.


That's the exact quote. Obama was defending his administration from accusations of raising taxes in aggregate. He hasn't.

This is the same old false-equivalency, "fair and balanced" (we're going to sit boy-girl, which means one Republican lie sits next to one potentially arguable Democratic claim) BS that brought us Fox News.


Edited by Lumberjack (12/20/11 09:01 AM)
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#40109 - 12/20/11 08:51 AM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak

There ya have it.
Sitting right there in DC.
NOT in POCkistaHn.


This will be a relief to Truman's descendants, since he wasn't in Hiroshima.

In fact, if I recall correctly, OBL wasn't in New York on 9-11 either.
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#40110 - 12/20/11 08:57 AM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: Bogus_bill]
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Lie of the Year 2011: 'Republicans voted to end Medicare'
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#40111 - 12/20/11 08:58 AM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: Lumberjack]
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8) Republicans ran for office on the idea that government can't do anything right.



Congress is running the highest DISapproval ratings, in the 80+ percentile, since polling began over three decades ago.

Those aren't just Republicans being polled.
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#40112 - 12/20/11 09:02 AM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak
Those aren't just Republicans being polled.


More blame GOP for do-nothing congress.
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#40113 - 12/20/11 09:04 AM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: Lumberjack]
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LOL...the military came to B.O. and said they had located OBL in PAKistan and could take him out on B.O.'s order. B.O. said do it.

The SEALs got him.
Period.
I'd be saying the same thing if W had given the go-ahead.
Why don't you form your opinion after talking with a SEAL.
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#40114 - 12/20/11 09:06 AM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: Thumper]
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Originally Posted By: Thumper
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...s-voted-end-me/

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Lie of the Year 2011: 'Republicans voted to end Medicare'


Politifact, RIP
Politifact ought to be ashamed.
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#40115 - 12/20/11 09:16 AM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: Lumberjack]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak
Those aren't just Republicans being polled.


More blame GOP for do-nothing congress.


Which doesn't change anything pertinent to the fact that judging by the Congressional DISapproval ratings, as well as B.O's underwater rating, and that of the direction of our country, the majority of people, regardless of party, believe that our government is not doing much right.
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#40116 - 12/20/11 09:28 AM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak
the majority of people, regardless of party, believe that our government is not doing much right.


Of course not. For 30 years, the belief that government can't do anything right has been a litmus test issue for Republicans.

Only an idiot couldn't see this coming. The guy who shut down government in 1994 because he felt disrespected by the AF1 seating chart is now a front runner for the Republican nomination. Embrace the madness. Republicans are vandals. They destroy everything public on the mistaken impression that this increases the value of everything private.
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#40117 - 12/20/11 09:30 AM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: ikayak]
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Why don't you form your opinion after talking with a SEAL.


The military is under civilian control. A seal who kills anyone without orders to do so is not a soldier.

Those orders came from the civilian leader: Obama.

Period.
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#40118 - 12/20/11 09:54 AM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: Lumberjack]
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Did I say he didn't give the order?

But to say the B.O. was the one who "got" bin Laden is disingenuous and insulting to those who put their lives in jeopardy to locate and actually "get" him. I'd say that about any president, R or D.
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#40121 - 12/20/11 10:38 AM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: ikayak]
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#40122 - 12/20/11 11:03 AM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: Lumberjack]
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Tell it to the SEALs risking their lives on foreign soil, rather than sitting safe and secure schlumped in chair watching a screen in a secure stateside location.
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#40125 - 12/20/11 12:09 PM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: ikayak]
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Tell it to the SEALs risking their lives on foreign soil, rather than sitting safe and secure schlumped in chair watching a screen in a secure stateside location.


Okay, I will. Your CiC got OBL.
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#40126 - 12/20/11 12:10 PM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: Lumberjack]
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Those orders came from the civilian leader: Obama.


When you win the presidency you win the title of Commander in Chief, head guy of the military over all branches. He is not really a civilian from that point on.
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#40128 - 12/20/11 01:02 PM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: Lumberjack]
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And they'd probably have the same reaction as the SEAL did when I asked him his reaction to the claim that B.O. "got" bin Laden.

*laughter* and (sorry, not printable)
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#40129 - 12/20/11 01:05 PM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: ikayak]
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Right. He gets the blame, but never the credit.

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#40132 - 12/20/11 01:17 PM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: Lumberjack]
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Originally Posted By: Lumberjack
Originally Posted By: ikayak

This one is ridiculous, too:

Barack Obama: The Man Who Got Osama Bin Laden




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#40138 - 12/20/11 01:53 PM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak

There ya have it.
Sitting right there in DC.
NOT in POCkistaHn.


So the next time somone says Bush got us into this quagmire called Iraq and Afganistan, you’re going to reply that as Bush wasn’t actually there to fight the insurgents and win the hearts and minds, it was the Military’s fault? Wow, so much for supporting our troops you commie.

Just a side note, history will record Obama as the President who got OBL. No matter how you squirm about how he didnt actually "get" him, he just set the goal and gave the orders.


Edited by Madicarus (12/20/11 01:56 PM)
Edit Reason: missed some letters
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#40140 - 12/20/11 02:05 PM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: Madicarus]
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he just set the goal


lol...B.O. was a state senator praising Rummy the year the goal was set.
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#40148 - 12/20/11 02:54 PM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: ikayak]
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#40150 - 12/20/11 03:09 PM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: ikayak]
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And they'd probably have the same reaction as the SEAL did when I asked him his reaction to the claim that B.O. "got" bin Laden.

*laughter* and (sorry, not printable)




His commander says "hi".
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#40152 - 12/20/11 05:26 PM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: Stash]
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Thanks for the reminder of how much worse it could be.
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#40153 - 12/20/11 06:33 PM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: ikayak]
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Originally Posted By: ikayak
lol...B.O. was a state senator praising Rummy the year the goal was set.


Rummy was chairman of a biopharmaceutical firm when Clinton also set the goal. Here’s the scene from the 9/11 Commission’s Report , August 1998:

The day after the embassy bombings, Tenet brought to a principals meeting intelligence that terrorist leaders were expected to gather at a camp near Khowst,Afghanistan,to plan future attacks… The principals quickly reached a consensus on attacking the gathering. The strike’s purpose was to kill Bin Ladin and his chief lieutenants.

Berger put in place a tightly compartmented process designed to keep all planning secret. On August 11, General Zinni received orders to prepare detailed plans for strikes against the sites in Afghanistan.The Pentagon briefed President Clinton about these plans on August 12 and 14.Though the principals hoped that the missiles would hit Bin Ladin, NSC staff recommended the strike whether or not there was firm evidence that the commanders were at the facilities.


As we know the strike occurred but they believed they missed OBL by hours. But Obama gets the credit changing the priority back to getting OBL. And as Clemenza would say of OBL, “he sleeps with the fishes”

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#40154 - 12/20/11 06:56 PM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: Madicarus]
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The score is:
drug rep = 0;
community organizer = 1.


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#40156 - 12/20/11 09:15 PM Re: Lie of the Year [Re: Bogus_bill]
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Those orders came from the civilian leader: Obama.


When you win the presidency you win the title of Commander in Chief, head guy of the military over all branches. He is not really a civilian from that point on.


He commands, but he serves at the pleasure of the voting public. They can replace if he's doing a bad job.
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