Almighty Yahweh thunders in the Book of Jeremiah not to observe practices like Christmas
tree worship: "Learn not the way of the heathen... For the customs of the people are vain: for one
cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with
silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not," Jeremiah
10:2-4.

Allfather! That's some good reading right there.

Source: .pdf viewable.

I'd feel uncomfortable using the JW's as a source (after all, they're just using a different interpretation of the same book of hooey to justify their hooey), but it is interesting to note the Pilgrims and the Puritans banned celebrating Christms.

Yes, the birth of Jesus is in the Bible.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah%2010&version=ERV



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/worship


Look up the definition of worship.

You're arguing with the wrong dude. It's your christian brethren who say your going to hell. Funny thing is the whole diatribe in the .pdf sounds a lot like iKayak. Maybe she thinks your going to hell too?

You are the one who posted the question, dude!

You're right. Then I posted the answer your christian brethren offered. Seemed like a closed conversation. Stash just pointed out his reservations as to where I got the answer to the question from.

Not sure where the JW's dispute that in their .pdf. Maybe you read it wrong. But if you want to argue it and argue over the the "right" answer, I'm pretty sure the JW's got a hall in GH somewhere. Have at it

You are funny, you ask about Christmas Trees, and then I answer your question, then you say you don't care about Christmas Trees.

What a waste of time!

Huh, Where is "my" christmas tree question? I see no christmas tree question.

Enough is enough from you.

Whew! Good thing that all my decorated trees are artificial, in rotating stands, and done in red and white! It's also a good thing that I don't worship them. Yup, they go back in the boxes and up in the attic on January 7th...no thought given to them until the weekend after Thanksgiving Day.

Until you drop your false jesus trihead god and get your soul saved you'll end up in hell! That's why I care.

I am not worry what you think about my soul.

You should be

Maybe so, but it ain't in Jeremiah.

And why is that?



You seem to be a non-believer of Christ.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+John+1%3A9-11&version=ASV

I can see how you would misinterpret that last one.

Restate: You should be concerned about your soul.



Reply to current thread: jesus doesn't care about your soul. you're a heathen, Or a Gentile, Or a pagan Or the multitude of other people on this planet that jesus doesn't give a shit about.

Supposedly he was here for the jews, the lost sheep of isreal. 2011 years later those same fuckers could give a shit about him.

Maybe you're too christian to learn, like iKayak is. Pity.

You should learn about Christianity, it could make a world of difference.

That makes me sad. You pay attention to the parts of a book that make you feel better about your insanity and then point to mistranslation when it suits your insanity. You will know the truth on your last day and then it will be too late for you. It appear you are damned to Hel. And none of your christian aspergers will change that.

I can't cure your insanity. I won't try any longer.

How come I don't believe you?

You don't have to. And I've moved on to the souls I can save from the evil grasp of christian insanity.

You will know on your last day when your true Gods turn their backs on you for forsaking them. Be well till then.

I bet you can't wait for Easter! A bunny shitting chocolate in hiding places around your house and yard then sending your kinder out to find it!

Another interesting quote:

The Bible does tell Christians when Christ was born...you must be mature enough in His Word to discern it. God's angels set the precedent for celebration. It doesn't matter if or when the Christian Church celebrates it, there is no biblical prohibition or instruction concerning the celebration of His birth.

"One may esteem one day above another, another esteems each day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."

Sinner. Your book looks full of contradictions. I'm sure glad your fake god speaks pretty clearly and to the point when it comes time to it. Then when you want to sin and justify it well it's because your "mature enough" to put words in your gods mouth. Ride that roller coaster allll the way to Hel.

And, just a little tiny bit further:

Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.

Christians really know how to ruin a children's holiday by stealing it and trying to replace it with boring stories about some baby in a cow pasture. Its nothing compared to stories of Thor's chariot and his flying goats. This tradition is still holding strong today with reindeer names like Donner and Blitzen (thunder and lightning.)

Tanngnjostr & Tanngrisnr!!!

But don't mention one of them too much here. He's not liked and been banned and it was rude to bann him since it was clearly Nobama's fault. IMHO

"He's not liked and been banned"

Someone actually named themselves after goats?

Someones named himself after a Disney cartoon bunny, so it's not inconceivable.

Lol...you skipped over the part where the Lord says "As surely as I live, every knee will bow before me, every tongue will confess to God."

1) Paul is talking about disputable matters. Christianity has celebrated Christ's birth for nearly 2000 years. Nothing to dispute there. As a Christian, if you choose to celebrate His birth, fine. If you choose not to celebrate His birth, that's fine too. Only legalistic Christians will judge one another on the matter.

2) Atheists and heathens are not brothers to Christians.

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Comprehension is key:

Amen. And biblically speaking, you aren't christian either, sister. Unless, however, you are jew.

Just as there isn't any biblical prohibition against butt fucking alter boys. Your christian preachers have been doing that disgusting deed for the past 2000 years as well (and since your bible conveniently doesn't say anything about it the "mature" deduction would be that jesus butt fucked young boys too) and trying for 30+ years to offer this excuse against legal prosecution too. Can you comprehend that?

Your bible doesn't prohibit or advocate for a lot of things. Seems like the god that "breathed' it is shitty AND leaves too much to interpretation.

But thank you for your post to Stash. It is evident that you follow not jesus instructions,but pauls, and peter's and what ever else man made justification you can grasp to.

To no one in particular, I have always thought it odd that, if Christmas is really about celebrating Jesus' birthday, why Christians don't celebrate the season by just having a birthday cake for Jesus and giving Him gifts (like maybe an extra tithe to your own church or some other Christian organization). Incorporating all the pagan rituals and giving gifts to each other just seems a way to make it less about Christ's birthday, imho. Just never really made any sense to me.

1) Biblically speaking, you err.


2) The rest of your post reads like a cesspool and is not worthy of response.

I bake a birthday cake for Jesus on His birthday, 15 Tishri, the first day of the 8 day Feast of Tabernacles.

Christmas decorations are secular (except for a Navity scene, I guess) and it's not a sin to use them, just as it's not a sin to put up red, white, and blue decorations for 4th of July, or color Easter eggs. I don't know anyone who worships decorations.

Giving gifts is a reminder of the gift of Light, Love, and Salvation from sin and death that Jesus gave to the world by becoming God Incarnate. Also, gift giving reminds us (should remind Christians) of the true gifts the shepherds laid before the Holy Child, their worship and adoration...not to mention the worship and adoration and the other gifts the Magi gave to Jesus when they found Him.

If the decorations and the gift giving don't make sense to you, how have you traditionally celebrated Christmas?

Someone named themselves after a bottle of whiskey, does anyone care?

The birth of Jesus is in the Bible. Are you saying it isn't?

The early Church decided December 25 is a good day to be dedicated to Jesus's birth. I don't have a problem with that, you seem to.

http://togodandjesuschrist.tripod.com/God_bible_idolatry.htm

Genesis 35:2--And Jacob said to his household and to all who were with him, “Put away the foreign gods that are among you, purify yourselves, and change your garments.

Exodus 20:3-6--“You shall have no other gods before Me. 4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Exodus 20:23--You shall not make anything to be with Me—gods of silver or gods of gold you shall not make for yourselves.

Exodus 23:24--You shall not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do according to their works; but you shall utterly overthrow them and completely break down their sacred pillars.

Exodus 34:17--“You shall make no molded gods for yourselves.

Leviticus 19:4--‘Do not turn to idols, nor make for yourselves molded gods: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 26:1--Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 12:1--“These are the statutes and judgments which you shall be careful to observe in the land which the LORD God of your fathers is giving you to possess, all the days that you live on the earth. 2 You shall utterly destroy all the places where the nations which you shall dispossess served their gods, on the high mountains and on the hills and under every green tree. 3 And you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and burn their wooden images with fire; you shall cut down the carved images of their gods and destroy their names from that place. 4 You shall not worship the LORD your God with such things.


Deuteronomy 17:2-5--“If there is found among you, within any of your gates which the LORD your God gives you, a man or a woman who has been wicked in the sight of the LORD your God, in transgressing His covenant, 3 who has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, either the sun or moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded, 4 and it is told you, and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently. And if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination has been committed in Israel, 5 then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has committed that wicked thing, and shall stone to death that man or woman with stones.



Deuteronomy 7:5-6--But thus you shall deal with them: you shall destroy their altars, and break down their sacred pillars, and cut down their wooden images, and burn their carved images with fire. 26 Nor shall you bring an abomination into your house, lest you be doomed to destruction like it. You shall utterly detest it and utterly abhor it, for it is an accursed thing.



Deuteronomy 7:25--You shall burn the carved images of their gods with fire; you shall not covet the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it for yourselves, lest you be snared by it; for it is an abomination to the LORD your God.



Numbers 33:52--then you shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, destroy all their engraved stones, destroy all their molded images, and demolish all their high places;

Psalm 97:7--Confounded be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols: worship him, all ye gods.

Isaiah 2:20--In that day a man will cast away his idols of silver
And his idols of gold,
Which they made, each for himself to worship,
To the moles and bats,

Isaiah 17:7--In that day a man will look to his Maker,
And his eyes will have respect for the Holy One of Israel.

8 He will not look to the altars,
The work of his hands;
He will not respect what his fingers have made,
Nor the wooden images nor the incense altars.



2 Chronicles 24:18--And they left the house of the LORD God of their fathers, and served groves and idols: and wrath came upon Judah and Jerusalem for this their trespass.


Acts 17:16--Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry.

1 Corinthians 10:14--Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.

Galatians 5:20--Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Colossians 3:5--Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

Kiddo, you're confused. It's not me saying it. It's your christian brethren that's saying that:
Also I don't read anywhere in anything I've quoted them saying, disputing that the dude was born. Make sense. Your arguing completely diffrent topics and your doing it with a dude that doesn't care about your lost soul anymore. To Hel you will take it. I'm reaching christians who can be reverted. Who can be saved:

1st, by showing them (with yours and iKayaks help) the contradictions of that book.

2nd, by then showing them that the book is as factual as Harry Potter books are. Funny thing is you and iKayak are helping with that too.

Refer to the above .pdf quote from your brethren christians as to why the man made christain church/religion did that. But yes, you're correct. I do have a problem with it

And you make a good point. Idol worship is BAD.

I think you need to start carrying your own water bucket. I've already stated what I thought.

And your bible reads like a cesspool of rapes, murders, slavery, infanticide, genocide yet you stomach reading that filth. Go Figure. Funny thing is you have to get past one of the biggest inconsistencies to get to those vile acts: "Just where did cane get his wife from?" Solve that one and you can move to the rest of your book of sin starting with the topic of incest. I've offered the whole "big banging Xenu's theory".

Yay! So you agree! christmas ISN'T a biblical observance. Maybe you're NOT a lost cause. Wo0t!

Right back at you!

Crucifix?

Worship?

Double-standard?

How so? Christians do not believe the crucifix is god. We do not worship the cross. It is placed on the altar to recall to the mind of the celebrant, and the people, that the Victim offered on the altar is the same as was offered on the Cross.

So, a statue of Ra or Zeus or Krishna or Vishnu, etc. or some other god is okay to bow in front of or courtsey or cross your heart to as long as you're not "worshiping" the statue, but it's only to remind one of the actual god being worshiped?

Are you seriously presenting a false premiss by implying those of other faiths see their graven images any differently than you do? Thor's hammer is not Thor any more than than the graven image of a human sacrifice or the sacrifice of a demigod on a crucifix is a god.

paulatians such as iKayak and Thumper hold double standards. And when you point this out they become Peterians. What can be said as an absolute positive about both: They are not "Christian". Because no matter what you show them their christ said, they site peter or paul to justify their sin. For example jesus (a jew) said to his disiples (also jews):

“Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.’ Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out the demons. Freely you have received, freely give. Do not take along any gold or silver or copper in your belts; take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic, or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep." (Matt. 10:5)

Now iKayak and Thumper will input peter and paul quotes.


Addendum: Has Thumper or iKayak offered a logical explanation as to where the fuck Cains wife came from? Because until then the rest of the book is bullshit.


Edit: Nevermind Thumper doesn't want to be logical. He only want blind zombie servitude. And then he'll call it " insulting him " when you don't submit to the insanity that enfolds him.

But he won't answer the direct question; Where does Cains wife come from? And then asking him to prove it.

Can we all agree yet: christmas is NOT a biblical observance and christianity is: bullshit.

This is kinda surreal. We've spoken about message dilution and this thread deals with that as well! Wow.

A few libertarian conservatives start a TEA party movement and it's diluted by the GOP.

A few ethical students Occupy Wall St. to protest the financial district holding hostage and manipulating the American People. It's hijacked and diluted by millions of protester with exponential protests.

13 dudes join to protest the manipulating and slavery of the jewish people by the jewish elite. It's diluted by the religion thievery of the jewish elite to enslave the heathen, pagan and gentile people.

The crucifix is not holy. It is an ornament. I don't pray to it, what more do you need to know. You destroy one, I probably would get upset, because your are destroying good property. Burn a bible, sure I would think less of you, but wouldn't go out a kill someone, like what happened when a Koran was burned.

You non-religious types are funny, You really should study more.

Do people pray to Thor's hammer?

I am startin to feel some passion.

You say this with such conviction that you want the conviction to turn the insanity sane.

But in truth: Had jesus been drown you'd have fish tanks on your alter.

And that truth is what makes christians so fucking pathetic.

Thank you for demonstrating the insanity that is christianity.

As long as it fits here.

Is there anyway for you to accept Christianity? I feel no, so debate is useless.

I stopped debating you because of your uselessness loooooong ago. I hate repeating myself but: I'm here for the christians smart enough to revert. Your continued interjections of insanity only help me revert them. That's why your tolerated.

"Ornament" is a watering down of 'Graven Image'.

Exodus 34:17--“You shall make no molded gods for yourselves.

Leviticus 19:4--‘Do not turn to idols, nor make for yourselves molded gods: I am the LORD your God.

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;...."

1 Corinthians 10:14--Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.

And this dude uses a flamethrower to snuff a tea light. Wow. It's Aspergers all over the place!

What!! Do mean you are only here for the agenda of proselytizing?

Personally I just like to debate and have no interest in converting you or anyone else. It sucks when people convert to my side and I end up with no-one to argue with.

You are not 5th. His insults get tiring after a while. If you are interested in learning, sure, I will talk with you, if your only interest is to attack, sorry.

I think you may be confused about who will be doing the teaching.

No question, I don't very thing.

Where did Cain's wife come from?

Prove it.


Neither are insulting.

Later dude!

Tired! nothing new, old crap. Thanks anyway. Shaking dust from feet thing.

Thanks, Dude! I can get back to reverting christians without your insane interjections! YAY!

Too bad you for you don't know more about what you are talkin about.

It's terrible! I know! So you were telling me were Cain's wife came from and were going to prove it too! Continue:

I don't recall Thumper ever stating he was going to tell you about Cain's wife or prove it. That never seems to happen.

He's avoiding the question. I'll keep presenting it. If he's pissed off about being cornered then all he has to to is stop interjecting his insanity when it's not asked for.

But you know bible "Thumper". He won't just stop.

Your cartoon does not seems to fit.

Because you can't follow a conversation. And after you dusted your feet you still keep coming back.

Cain's wife, now that something I know a lot about, not.

One last one for 5th, a Christmas present, if you will.

" The Bible names three sons, Cain, Able and Seth, and then it goes on to say that Adam "begat sons and daughters." (Gen. 5:4).

Therefore, Cain married one of his sisters. This marriage of blood relatives was, of course, necessary in order that the human race might be begun."

How's that for the "sanctity of marriage".

Indeed! I was hoping he wouldn't go there cause that's just gross. Thumper's book sure is starting to read like the cesspool iKayak accuses me of being.

Apparently it wasn't gross at the beginning of the human race when there were no others to be fruitful and multiply with. And jftr, God had not prohibited it at that point in time.

Keep railing against the goads, pal.

Since I'm just luke-warm, I go with the whole Santa thing.

Actually, we used to sing "Happy Birthday, Dear Jesus" when the kids were little but it kinda fell away as the kids got older.

Well, Cain's wife came from the land of Nod. I just never understood why there was no mention of the lands of Wynken or Blynken. What made Nod so special anyway?

Whew! Thankfully an honest christian! I sure am glad about that Nod and Other people admittance cause if your crazy headed sister over thinks the whole thing started in a incest orgy, that's just weird. Cute reference to the Dutch though!

A livestock reference? You christians consider yourselves livestock where barnyard tools are necessary to direct you? Interesting!



Hows that working out for you?

Infinitely better than ending up as tinder.

So what kind of barnyard animal are you: Goat, Sheep, Pig, Cow, Jackass?

"Having a Christian threaten me with Hell is like a hippy threatening to punch me in my aura." Josh Thomas

No threat, just a statement of how it's working out for me.

Since Jesus is The Lamb of God, I'm in excellent company being likened to a sheep brought into the fold.

Unbelievers are likened to goats.

So your god mated with a sheep? First you promote incest. Now it's bestiality your god is into. I think I like talking to the smart christian, funkycamper, better. You just have some odd religious theories.

And you said my posts were cesspools.

Maybe you should try the whole fishy theory. I have a nice fish tank you can pray to.

You err because you don't know scripture.
I don't expect you to understand.
No unbelievers will understand, Daniel 12:10.
Concerning my Christian faith, I expect you be a vile jerk and a jackass.
There's nothing new under the sun.
So far, you've lived up to expectation.
I don't expect that will change.

I know more then you and enough to use this exchange as a tool to revert more christians

Believe. I understand perfectly. I choose not to believe so I can maintain critical thinking. Logical thinking. Both of which are shunned by your religion.


Aspergers!

So then stop talking about the subject with me. The conversation was closed from the beginning post. You and Thumper fail to realize that. Part of the critical thinking lost in your belief.

Duh

Yay! Wo0t! You have low expectations so that wasn't too difficult. Now I'm on to live up to Lumberjack expectations! And that should be a bit more challenging.

Don't!

"No unbelievers will understand, Daniel 12:10."

Just another underhanded way of calling non-believers wicked.
Any bozo can understand Daniel 12:10 and believing does not guarantee you will not continue to 'sin'.

I don't doubt that.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. ~ Aristotle

Well great.

1) The Bible is God's point of view. That's why it's called God's Word.
There's nothing underhanded or deceptive about it.
It's quite clear how God views those who persist in unbelief.
He also makes the remedy for wickedness so clear and simple a child can understand.

2) True belief guarantees that the true believer will not continue to live a lifestyle without true repentance, practicing sin. If one claims to be a believer and practices an unrepentant lifestyle of sin, or does not develop a love or passion for God, His Word, and His precepts, they have no assurance of salvation. That is why those who claim to believe are biblically instructed to make their calling and election assured by keeping themselves on the narrow path of righteousness, which means practicing God's precepts, not wickedness.

(That's your cue to be enraged, disgusted, and insulting.)

"There's nothing underhanded or deceptive about it."

I was referring to you and your use of it in this thread as simply a way to imply 5th is wicked.

Daniel 12:10 can also be reduced to some people learn form their mistakes while others do not. But you may be one of those people who believe people can not emotionally or morally mature without threats of eternal damnation.

God's Word is what it is, and whether stated in stark terms or more gently, does not diminish, change, nor "reduce" it.

God determines who/what He considers wicked, revealed in His Word.

The world's definition or benchmarks of "moral maturity" do not equal eternal salvation from sin and death. Only surrender to Jesus Christ equals eternal salvation.

Jesus taught specifics concerning hell. Some consider His teaching on hell a threat, some consider it a just warning. My consideration aligns with the latter.

"Only surrender to Jesus Christ equals eternal salvation."

Unsubstantiated claim, I've read the Bible, Book of Mormon, Quran among others and they all make similar claims of being the way and the truth all justified with deception and fallacies.

Outside the Bible there is little or no evidence suggesting Jesus ever existed.

Did a historical Jesus exist?
by Jim Walker
http://www.skeptically.org/newtestament/id28.html

I AM wicked.

Sad to know that.