#40430 - 12/27/11 01:45 PM
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http://www.komonews.com/news/local/No-af...b=video&c=y Mike Hargrove? ABERDEEN, Wash. - There's not much after-Christmas holiday cheer at one Aberdeen shopping mall. Despite a return of Christmas shoppers nationwide, the South Shore Mall is seeing its stores leaving.
The parking lot was nearly empty on Monday at this once-thriving mall. On a day when other malls were packed, the South Shore Mall was quiet.
"You can see this building is falling apart," says mall customer Louis Dassow. "The people, they don't like to use it."
"It's not as busy a mall, and they can't afford the rent, and so they don't stay," says customer Beth Dassow.
Famous Footwear recently announced it is pulling out. So is Harry Ritchie jewelers.
Mall store owner Val Hurlbert is watching her neighbors leave. She'll be joining them at the end of January.
"It's tough, really tough," says Hurlbert. "When I got up this morning, I'm like, 'Can I really do it?' Because I feel an obligation to keep it open."
But sales at her Maranatha Christian Bookstore are down at this shopping mecca built in the 1970s.
Just five years ago it gained fame when Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes were here for the opening of Mission Impossible III.
But the crowds are gone now.
"This is as busy as this ever gets," says Louis Dassow.
Not that there aren't people out shopping. The Walmart store and Top Foods shopping center is jammed on Monday.
Civic leaders believe the regional economy is turning around with the reopening of a paper products plant and the opening of a facility to build the huge concrete pontoons for the Highway 520 floating bridge.
"We're still struggling," says state Sen. Mike Hargrove, D-Hoquiam. "We kind of go two steps ahead and a step and a half back. People are working really hard. And I think there's real opportunity around the corner."
The company that owns the mall, General Growth Properties, has told its store owners that it's trying hard to get a third major store in besides J.C. Penney and Sears.
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#40432 - 12/27/11 02:07 PM
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The company that owns the mall, General Growth Properties, has told its store owners that it's trying hard to get a third major store in besides J.C. Penney and Sears. Sears/K-Mart are closing 120 of their least profitable stores. What are the odds that SS Mall keeps Sears?
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#40433 - 12/27/11 02:29 PM
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The article makes it sound like it was booming and famous when Tom and Katie were here. It already had a foot in the grave. Seems to me it's been on a steady decline since the mid/late 90's. I'm amazed the doors are still open. It's like a ghost town in there.
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#40435 - 12/27/11 06:12 PM
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It's like a ghost town in there. A couple months ago I counted customers and salespeople as I walked through the mall. Hardly scientific but the ration was about 1:1. What's missing here? The mall has free parking, it's well-lit, you can walk around without getting rained on.
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#40436 - 12/27/11 06:46 PM
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What's missing? For the most part, stores in which I want to shop. I pop in to the Habitat for Humanity store once in a while, and of course Sears and Penny's on a blue moon. Lil Stash goes to the movies a bunch, but I see one or two a year. I like Stullik's but don't buy a lot of jewelry. I enjoy ice cream and/or a burger, but don't eat a lot of fast food. The rest of it? eh....
Between the wavy floor and being a tad run down, I think most of the tenants who left would suggest the rent was much too high based on the traffic count. The more stores that left, the higher the "rent to traffic" became, necessitating additional exodus further scewing the ratio.
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#40438 - 12/27/11 07:10 PM
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I think most of the tenants who left would suggest the rent was much too high based on the traffic count. Every time I walk through that huge empty mall I think about how much it has to cost to heat the thing. It is just bad business for the renters and the owners. I don't see how either makes it. Tearing it down and putting in a Costco, as rumor once had it, would make more sense.
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#40442 - 12/27/11 09:44 PM
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Aberdeen Developer Hoping Business Grows in Newly Renovated Building Posted by David Haviland on December 27, 2011 at 9:50 am Aberdeen, WA - After news coverage of store closures in the South Shore Mall, and throughout Grays Harbor County, developer John Yonich says it's time to look at downtown business. As renovations near completion on the Clevengers building at the corner of Heron and I streets in Aberdeen, Yonich said he already has at least one tenant lined up, a florist and gift shop. The rebuild of Clevenger's should be completed near the middle of February, Yonich also said one entrepreneur is waffling on either a book or video store but that if they didn't open one, he might. Yonich said he has big plans for the Clevenger's building, and also hinted to a new place to stay in downtown Aberdeen in the works.
http://kbkw.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3550 I don't know how well a book or video store would do. http://www.ajc.com/lifestyle/bookstores-losing-browsers-to-1262968.html Bookstores losing browsers to Web The same can be found for video stores, only worse.
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#40445 - 12/28/11 08:31 AM
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A bookstore has a better chance of survival than a video store. Blockbuster can't even stay open. A video store is a bad investment. I wouldn't invest in either one.
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#40446 - 12/28/11 09:05 AM
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A bookstore has a better chance of survival than a video store. Blockbuster can't even stay open. A video store is a bad investment. I wouldn't invest in either one. Yeah, I definately wouldn't be opening a video store. We're a movie family and frequented Video Visions in Hoquiam. But, since On Demand and Netflix we haven't rented a video for years. But, we go into Books on 7th at least once a month and have bought several books there. I think Kindles and the like will make a dent. But, hope it's a long time before a real book becomes obsolete.
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#40447 - 12/28/11 09:49 AM
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I would go to the bookstore. You certainly can't compete on price or selection but if someone created an "experience" by combining it with overstuffed chairs, a coffee shop, library tables, space to hang out, maybe a gallery, I think it could work. The bookstore/coffee shop in Shelton has done fairly well for many years by catering to the community. But it has to be "nice," not soulless retail, and not half-baked.
I didn't know about Books on 7th, will have to check it out.
A video store? Not a chance.
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#40449 - 12/28/11 10:12 AM
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I remember when my aunt(s) opened Popcorn Magic, in what some might call the heyday of the SS Mall, rent was comparable to the Olympia mall rates. In the end that's what took them down, no real reason to pay those rates and not just open a store in THAT mall.
On the other side of the bridge, I hope John finds a niche with the downtown and I can once again enjoy the Clevenger's building.... now as for the former-sports store across the road... I still ask "used washer and dryers? really? is that the best use for such a once-nice building?"
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#40450 - 12/28/11 10:16 AM
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Hey, if a Star Wars Store can make it....
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#40451 - 12/28/11 10:18 AM
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A bookstore has a better chance of survival than a video store. Blockbuster can't even stay open. A video store is a bad investment. I wouldn't invest in either one. True that. And block buster fell after Movie Gallery went bust. "Lyons Entertainment" Formerly Sushi Wok Teryaki tried and failed as well. RedBox seems to be a great idea and doing well for movies. Im not a fan of paperbooks and was even reading a technical manual on my Droid3 the other night. Lenovo pulled an Amazon and accepted my order even though all models Ideapad a1 were out of stock and shipping is estimated for 1.19. As far as the Mall. We go there for movies and shopping at Sears. I try to avoid JCP due to crappy management  . If the talk of a new 3rd anchor store opens and it's Target, Say good bye to Dennis Co.
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#40452 - 12/28/11 10:46 AM
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I generally like the selection of products at Target but I really don't see it as The Dennis Company's competitor. For the most part, the product lines are quite different, imho.
Since I'm pretty much a non-shopper that retailers hate, I've not much to add to this discussion except to say that there are a few shops in the mall that I might frequent more often if I didn't have to walk so far to get to them. So I guess I'm more of a strip-mall shopper. I want the quick in/out to see if they have what's on my list then buy-and-go that malls don't really offer as they seem more suited to folks that consider shopping a recreational activity.
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#40459 - 12/28/11 12:44 PM
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When I visit the mall its usually to chat with the friends I have who work there or talk to my friend Gregory about the parks. I rarely shop there unless it's for someone else. I've heard the rent was high years ago, seems with dwindling occupancy, they might want to lower it? Show some incentives for opening a store there? Doesn't make much business sense to me. Aside from the high rent issue, does anyone know if the mall seems to be well managed?
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#40514 - 12/29/11 02:32 PM
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#40515 - 12/29/11 02:36 PM
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The K-Mart in Lacey.
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#40516 - 12/29/11 02:45 PM
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I was surprised this one wasn't closed some years ago.
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#40517 - 12/29/11 03:05 PM
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I don't think the list is finished as there are only 79 stores listed (as reported by Fox News) and could be up to 120. I hope they hang in there and keep some Harbor people working.
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#40524 - 12/29/11 05:00 PM
Re: South Shore Mall on Komotv
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Aside from the high rent issue, does anyone know if the mall seems to be well managed? Other than the incident with the iceberg, was the Titanic a well-run ship?
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#40525 - 12/29/11 05:06 PM
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Aside from the high rent issue, does anyone know if the mall seems to be well managed? Other than the incident with the iceberg, was the Titanic a well-run ship? Yup, they moved those deck chairs around . . .
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#40529 - 12/29/11 07:41 PM
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Aside from the high rent issue, does anyone know if the mall seems to be well managed? Other than the incident with the iceberg, was the Titanic a well-run ship? Yup, they moved those deck chairs around . . . That's what I was thinking. Someone owns it and someone manages it...right into the ground. Somehow something went wrong along the way, and perhaps a people problem or two happened to help the result we have there today. Even the location seems a bit questionable.
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#40530 - 12/29/11 07:53 PM
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Even the location seems a bit questionable. Could have been worse. In the late '70's there was a plan to put a mall where the Lake Aberdeen Road intersects Hwy 12. Or, to put it another way, on top of the old dump, across the road from the current one.
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#40531 - 12/29/11 08:06 PM
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LeMay's landfill?
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#40544 - 12/30/11 08:56 AM
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Would it still be sinking if they had?
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#40548 - 12/30/11 09:18 AM
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Would it still be sinking if they had? Yes... I'm assuming you forgot a "t" in one of the words. 
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