#40541 - 12/30/11 08:24 AM
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I had a near death experience in an ER. Same light, three angels, inexpressible joy and peace. I believe.
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#40592 - 12/30/11 03:17 PM
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Thank you for sharing this. Sad yet inspiring.
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#40604 - 12/30/11 04:19 PM
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Inspiring? Hardly. "I wish the Emergency Medical Staff hadn't revived me so I could have followed the bright light and died!" Today, he's alive and making videos seen by other kids suggesting dying is better than living. Inspiring? Nope.
Did you get something different from his index cards?
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#40606 - 12/30/11 04:34 PM
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He died on Christmas from a heart attack.
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#40607 - 12/30/11 04:41 PM
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Friends and family didn't discover the Westlake High School senior's video farewell until after his death, but his mother, Deanne Breedlove, told the Austin Statesman that "it was a gift to us, and for him to be so confident and unafraid of death and to share it with other people was so touching." link
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#40613 - 12/30/11 07:17 PM
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Did you get something different from his index cards? Funky may have gotten something from the link under the video that I titled "A tragic death".
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#40620 - 12/30/11 07:39 PM
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He died on Christmas from a heart attack.
That's too bad. But, I didn't get that from the video and still think the video says to watchers, "I wish I would have died... or stayed dead... rather than have EMS officials revive me."
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#40621 - 12/30/11 07:47 PM
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Friends and family didn't discover the Westlake High School senior's video farewell until after his death, but his mother, Deanne Breedlove, told the Austin Statesman that "it was a gift to us, and for him to be so confident and unafraid of death and to share it with other people was so touching." I, too think it is ok or even good to feel comfortable with our inevevitable death. But, as I'm sure you are aware, chasing the euphoria and white light of a near death experience is much different than being ready to die when it's time. Telling a bunch of teenagers, "I saw it! I saw it! It's the best. I can't wait to get back there! I wish they hadn' brought me back! Love the white light!" is not inspiring in the least to me.
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#40622 - 12/30/11 07:49 PM
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"Right then, I woke up and the ems were doing cpr" "I didn't want to leave that place" "I wish I NEVER woke up"
He didn't say he wanted to die.
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#40623 - 12/30/11 07:53 PM
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I can't wait to get back there! I wish they hadn' brought me back! Love the white light!" is not inspiring in the least to me. You have totally missed the point. He is dying, knows he will soon be dead. Because of his dying and being revived he has some knowledge to pass along. Death isn't the end. He believes in God. It is weird you see something negative in it.
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#40625 - 12/30/11 07:56 PM
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It is weird you see something negative in it. Not so weird at all. I can see how the message can romanticize death to over emotional teenagers.
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#40627 - 12/30/11 08:30 PM
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I will speak for myself. There was no "chasing the euphoria and white light"..it was just there...and the peace. But as lovely and as comforting as it was, there seemed to be an understanding that I would stay here with my five day old infant.
It was quite an interesting experience being somewhat in that dimension of peace and yet being aware of everything and everyone in the ER...feeling completely detached from all the commotion and the tension...even panic around me. I learned that med staff aren't alway as cool, calm, and collected as depicted on TV when they think they're losing a patient...they yell...a lot! lol
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#40630 - 12/30/11 10:49 PM
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"Right then, I woke up and the ems were doing cpr" "I didn't want to leave that place" "I wish I NEVER woke up"
He didn't say he wanted to die. You say potato... He said he wished he hadn't awakened... that the medical personnel trying to revive had failed.
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#40631 - 12/30/11 10:58 PM
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It is weird you see something negative in it. I think it's a little odd anyone wouldn't.
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#40635 - 12/31/11 08:56 AM
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Inspiring? Hardly. "I wish the Emergency Medical Staff hadn't revived me so I could have followed the bright light and died!" Today, he's alive and making videos seen by other kids suggesting dying is better than living. Inspiring? Nope.
Did you get something different from his index cards? I have to admit to getting distracted by the dog and only read the first half or so. I do find it inspiring that a young person can be at peace with the inevitability and never considered that anyone would view it as a way to justify suicide. Anyway, just like confirmation that there's something beyond endless sleep because I plan to throw some amazing dinner parties with some of the folks I expect to meet up with when I get there and enjoy playing with the late, great best dog ever.
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#40639 - 12/31/11 10:38 AM
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just like confirmation that there's something beyond endless sleep This didn't do that. It suggests the process of dying can be euphoric with a bright light. AND, if the EMS workers are successful, and you DON'T DIE, the euphoria goes away and the only bright light you see is in the emergency room. But, I'm going to get off this kick. I, like others, am pleased the young lad didn't fear death. I don't either. I fear dying. I figure it's going to hurt like the dickens. But I don't fear death.
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#40646 - 12/31/11 12:23 PM
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Here is the point I am getting at, 21 “Lord,” Martha said to Jesus, “if you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask.”
23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”
24 Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
27 “Yes, Lord,” she replied, “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.” Ben Breedlove also stated he believed.
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#40647 - 12/31/11 12:59 PM
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Here is the point I am getting at, Do you believe in Angels and God? Ben Breedlove also stated he believed. Some creative editing gives your point credibility. Ben doesn't save he believe in jesus, nor accept jesus as his god. Arguing with Stash, who will just check out some day, is pointless. Debating with people who disagree with your view of the afterlife destination might be more fun. I don't believe Ben is with your god. I pray he's not.
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#40654 - 12/31/11 07:50 PM
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The anesthetic Ketamine is known to bring about near death experiences and has been used to study NDEs is Russia and other countries extensively. So far no evidence of life after death.
My daughter had an NDE and the paramedics brought her back she concluded it was simply the process of the brain shutting down and it was pretty cool.
The Ketamine Model of the Near Death Experience: A Central Role for the NMDA Receptor
Dr. Karl L. R. Jansen, MD, PhD, MRCPsych.
http://www.mindspring.com/~scottr/nde/jansen1.html
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#40657 - 12/31/11 08:21 PM
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I'm glad the Emergency workers were able to save your daughter. I assume she's glad they did and has no desire to hurry back to the white light. Now, that would be a good video. "When you see the white light and feel really calm, don't be lulled into a false sense of security. Keep fighting and come back to us!"
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#40662 - 12/31/11 09:40 PM
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I'm glad the Emergency workers were able to save your daughter. I assume she's glad they did and has no desire to hurry back to the white light. Now, that would be a good video. "When you see the white light and feel really calm, don't be lulled into a false sense of security. Keep fighting and come back to us!" Hallelujah! Ameen, Broder!
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#40664 - 01/01/12 02:29 AM
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I have a friend who died and came back who experienced nothing. You would think the white light/peacefulness thing wouldn't be so selective in picking people.
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#40665 - 01/01/12 03:04 AM
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I have a friend who died and came back who experienced nothing. You would think the white light/peacefulness thing wouldn't be so selective in picking people. Some would think that. Some would create a god to explain it. Others would assume without a medical or scientific background that the biological, physical, and emotional occurances when the circulatory and respiratory systems stop effect different individuals differently.
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#40667 - 01/01/12 05:38 AM
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Others would assume without a medical or scientific background that the biological, physical, and emotional occurances when the circulatory and respiratory systems stop effect different individuals differently. Would those same 'others' have an explanation for why they lack the ability for faith? Intelligence isn't the answer as there are plenty of high IQs amongst the faith bunch. Are they biologically, physically or emotionally crippled because they lack this component? I kinda hope for the bright lights and comfort myself when my time comes.
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#40670 - 01/01/12 09:13 AM
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I kinda hope for the bright lights and comfort myself when my time comes. This. Regardless of what your religious beliefs or lack thereof are, I think we would all want to experience comfort and peace in our final moments.
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#40678 - 01/01/12 11:30 AM
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Intelligence isn't the answer as there are plenty of high IQs amongst the faith bunch. Are they biologically, physically or emotionally crippled because they lack this component? "Is someone biologically, physically or emotionally crippled if they don't believe in Santa Claus, or the Tooth Fairy, or a Skygod?" Silly. I kinda hope for the bright lights and comfort myself when my time comes. It is quite possible that you will.
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#40680 - 01/01/12 11:52 AM
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"Is someone biologically, physically or emotionally crippled if they don't believe in Santa Claus, or the Tooth Fairy, or a Skygod?" Silly.
That is a very poor description of faith. Perhaps someone better equipped can give you a better one. My guess is it is a lot like one of your senses and not describable to someone lacking it. It is easy to take as something silly because some people certainly help make it that way. All in all, though, I think it is an ability. You have it or you don't. You may pity those with the ability and I am betting that they pity you right back.
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#40681 - 01/01/12 12:14 PM
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Maybe seeing the Light is a portent of those whose names were not written in the Book of Life at the foundation of the world, and have not been blotted out by the Lamb.
Heap scorn on the hapless fools who are not (pre)destined to an eternal life with the Almighty.
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#40684 - 01/01/12 12:26 PM
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"She floats! She would only float if she were a witch! Burn her!"
I simply find the whole line of logic irrational. "They must have a disability of some sort to not agree with me." Addled.
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#40689 - 01/01/12 05:26 PM
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Interesting link. Interesting site.
Compared to the other categories of experiencers, fewer people in the atheist category [1] attempted suicide, [2] saw spirits among the living, [3] received a homecoming, [4] received forgotten knowledge, [5] received past life knowledge, and were [6] told they are not ready to die, than in any other category of experiencer.
This is not surprising to me at all.
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#40692 - 01/01/12 06:04 PM
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Kind of proves BB idea about the gift. A couple interesting quotes from the link. The majority of recorded claims link NDEs to feelings of joy and comfort. A statistician calculated that 69 per cent of the thousands of cases he investigated reported a feeling of overwhelming love. When he broke his subjects down by belief (Christian, Religious but non-Christian, Non-religious, New Age, etc) he found 100 per cent of people calling themselves atheists had experienced "tremendous ecstasy". Sixty-three per cent reported the life review experience. Ayer's account of his own NDE, for a man of such formidable intellect, was surprisingly similar to most of the others on record, though more elegantly observed. He wrote of "a red light for governing the universe" and some barrier he crossed, "like the River Styx." The experience, he said, "weakened my conviction that death would be the end of me, though I continue to hope it will be."
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#40695 - 01/01/12 07:38 PM
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Actually, I think it kind of prooves my assertions about the whole process. That is, humans when faced with the unknown, often create a god to explain it. I am optomistic, the species will outgrow this tendency.
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#40696 - 01/01/12 08:37 PM
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I am optomistic, the species will outgrow this tendency. Humans are outgrowing it. The last to gods created by man are: Allah = 595A.C.E (approx) jesus = 001A.C.E So we are working on 1500 C.E. years without the creation of a new god.
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