"The Nazis made me afraid to be a Jew, and the Israelis make me ashamed to be a Jew." Israel Shahak

Keep being a good christian and protecting the people that killed your god. Don't fight the goads.

Powerful stuff, Geezer.

My review from the half of it I watched.

Great lesson in creating propaganda. Someone could duplicate much of this with Palestinian propagated atrocities and be as an accurate portrayal of what is happening as this production. Uninteresting when you realize what it is.

Neither side has anything to be proud of.

I stopped watching after the "60,000 homes destroyed".
How many Native American homes did our government destroy?
How many homes in Japan did we destroy?

Say what? Are you on crack?

Our government no longer defends the autrocities done to the Native Americans.

There is great debate in this country regarding the need for or the benefits gained from the decision to drop the bombs.

Your reply speaks volumes about you.

How am I to understand your reply. Is your allotment of Christian empathy exhausted? They're just a bunch of hook-nose heathens, so who gives a shit? It's all good, let Jesus sort them out? Let them occupy Zuccotti Park?

Exactly. All but the most ignorant bigots disapprove of the first and many disapprove of the second. Neither are anything to be proud of, that's for sure. And I have no idea what either have to do with the current situation.

We no longer are fighting these battles, and we won.

I know I've asked you this before, but, What is your point?

I am guessing it is that we built our nation, took it away from the rightful owners, did what was necessary to make it ours.

Israel is building their nation. Same process except they have owned this land before.

Some day, perhaps 200 years from now, the liberals in that country can sit around pooh-poohing how they treated the last owners, totally forgetting they would still be spread out all over the world being persecuted.

Liberals are really stupid about things like that.

Oh, so you're not christian? Gotcha!

Revised response:

Heathens made a huge mistake caring about some stupid patch of sand that is Occupied by nutbars and their neo-gods. Those days, and These days we should withdraw care from the middle east. Complete non-intervention in that part of the world is the only thing that should make sense to the rest of the world.

It would help if everyone knew about the creation of Israel and the attack and slaughter by the Arabs in 1920. If you have time watch part I and II.

I think BB had it about right. You do what you have to, to survive, and then years later, the bleeding hearts say how bad we were, while enjoying themselves with what they have.

Seriously...or are you playing dense?

1. This is our land and we will do with it whatever we think best for the good of our country and our citizens.

2. We are doing this for the security of our nation.

Different time, difference place, different situation,...same justification.

What Bill said.

Excuse me, it's not for us that this whole series of texts has been concocted:

Then you should pay closer attention. While you point the finger at Israel, you have three more pointing right back at this country.

"The systematic racism, forced assimilation and apartheid of Indigenous Peoples in the United States has been documented in the “Consolidated Indigenous Shadow Report,” to be presented by the International Indian Treaty Council to the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination.

Dedicated to Floyd Red Crow Westerman, who passed to the Spirit World on December 13, 2007, the report is compiled from the testimony of individuals and groups of Indigenous Peoples and includes data from a wide range of sources.

The data reveals “a system of Apartheid and forced assimilation,” where Indigenous Peoples are “warehoused in poverty and neglect” in the United States. The racism permeates Indian life, including life at its foundation, at American Indian sacred places.

Indian treaty rights, the abrogation of treaties and discrimination toward non-federally recognized Indian Nations are detailed. Statistics are included for unemployment, violence against women and sexual abuse in residential schools. The destruction of sacred places, environmental racism and border injustices are revealed. Further, the high rate of incarceration and disproportionate long prison sentences for American Indians are exposed in the 87-page report."

Why is this a statement instead of a question?

christians are the zombie slaves of the jews. Why should she care about arabs?


Edited for religious clarification. And why should we care if camel jockeys are killing each other?


jesus doesn't have any intention of sorting anyone but the jews out. Or don't you know scripture?

Consider these a gift, try not to lose them again.

We are helping Israel to keep America safe? Are you serious? Oh.My!

You don't see Israel as one of our stable allies in that area? I don't know about keeping us safe but when war breaks out between all our allies and Iran, who do you think will be on our side in spades?

We let them fight it out. It's not OUR war. When we pick sides we suffer the blow back of our decision. Point in case: World Trade Center 1 and 2 9/11/2001. And to the victors we open trade agreements.

There is a bet I would take.

Shall we let every terrorist have access to nuclear weapons? Unless Iran backs down, it happens and we are part of it.

Stable?! Give me a fucking break, they are committing genocide against the indigenous people of Palestine. Fuck Israel! And we're giving those fucking Zionist bastards $8,000,000 a day, 365 days a year to do it. You wander why people hate Israel? You wonder why anybody wants to attack us? Because of our freedoms? Well, there gone...now what? If there is a God, may he stop America and fuck Israel!

There are too many issue with this post.


Are you equating Iran as terrorists?
Do you equate Israel as terrorists? (as Geezer pretends they are)
How about the other middle eastern Arab countries? put Iraq in that bunch as well.

Because if that is the case and you do equate any of those countries then, to me, all would be lumped into the equation. My only response would be that it takes an idiot to bring a knife to a gun fight. The other countries would have to prepare themselves for battle at Israeli level and we know Israel has nukes.

Maybe we would see a middle eastern cold war if they were all nuclear armed.

Or maybe a large glass parking lot with a BP station in the middle.

I would suspect that should any of the rich oil companies gave two shits about those poor baby Palestinians they'd either do something to stop those horrible jews. OR they would finance the Palestinians to do something themselves.



I for, one American view, don't give two shits about any of them.

Israel has to spend 75% of that on American-made military products. The US also gives several hundred million/billion dollars to the Palestinian Authority, also to Pakistan, Egypt, Yemen...yada yada yada...

You look like a really old codger, Geezer. Maybe you have some ugly ties to the Drittes Reich? Is that why you're such a venomous hater? Man, that kind of hate directed at people thousands of miles away that you have absolutely no control over will just eat you up and spit you out, pal. Crazy, sick stuff.

Iran is one of the biggest contributors of money and arms to terrorists. Their president seems to have an end of the world wish. Their leaders hate us.

What do you think they are going to do with nuclear arms??

The should contribute to Hezbollah.

So does ours.

Due to our interventionist policy. It's time for us to keep to the big kid playground and leave the sandbox to the kiddies.

Don't care. If they flatten Israel, Sweet! If they kill the worthless Palestinian dogs, sweet! If they Occupy their neighbors and try to resurrect a lost Persian empire, good for them.

If we offer a non intervention policy their hatred wanes. Imagine someone trying to interfere with Manifest Destiny.

By the time I acquired the patina of a "really old codger," one regret stood out from the others in my life. I wasn't born with enough middle fingers. People like you and Bogus Bill keeps the two I do have working overtime. Were it simply a matter of you both being ignorant twits, I could care less. However, people like you are dangerous because of your flag draped, religious relic encrusted beliefs. Wars are started, supported and profited from by your ilk.

Are you really so obtuse that you think our government and corporation aren't directing you to be venomous at people thousands of miles away when it suits foreign policy or is in the interest of opening a new market? I think your brain has been washed so many times, it has shrunk.

Finally, though you speak about something you know intimately, hate. Your mind is a padlocked bastion of hate. To listen to you, you must have at least two Bibles worth locked behind your zealous gaze. The same gaze, by the way, to be found on the faces of the minions of the Drittes Reich. It really doesn't vary if it's religious or political. You can piss on my leg and tell me it's raining, but I know you have a desire to offload your cross on others.

Oh, another thing, next time you see me, wink if you want me.

Jew bashing isn't bad enough, you attack the knowledge of Ilky and myself!

If you watched that video I posted you surely know that:

This land is mine.
Britain gave this land to me.

Who did a lot more with the land than the truly ignorant camel jockys who were there before. You also see that they started the war that they are losing today.

This is nation building. These are people who believe in an eye for an eye. You launch a missle at me, I bulldoze down the houses in the neighborhood it came from. Even the stupidest dog would have gotten the idea by now: blowing up Israelis is going to hurt me. Don't do it.

I can see how that middle finger thing bothers you. It has to be frustrating to you to possess such an attitude and only two birds to flip. You have my sympathy. Not for the middle finger limitation...you just have it.

Tea Party rhetoric? Michelle Bachman worshiper? Morphing into a liberal?

No one should have nuclear weapons, especially crazy people. Iran owning a nuclear arsenal would radiate your world. It seems a good investment to not allow that.

And the US is "allowed" to own them because, why? Historically speaking we're the "crazy" ones that actually used 2 and wanted to keep on using them.

Fear mongering is not going to rally me to the neo-con war cry.

This posturing is between Iran and Israel. We only focus the "crazy's" attention on us by interfering in their fight.

Remind me not to go out drinking at the bars with you on your return north. Shit for sure I am NOT fighting your fights.

As your video showed, the problems in the Middle East were caused by other countries poking their nose into/manipulating someone else's business. Our own country's continued manipulation into matters that really aren't our business is just a continuation of a policy that has failed for the last 90 years. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing but expecting a different result.

Shouldn't be a problem. I am safer in Mexico than with the drunks of Aberdeen. A glass of wine at a Business After Hours maybe. If we see one another there, we'll have to chat. You will recognize me..I am the one with a tan.

In science that is true. In politics, probably not. You just keep doing the same thing over and over again until you wear the bastards who elect you out. In international politics nothing is the same, different variables each time.

It is a nifty little definition but really best left in the realm of science since that is the only place you have locked in variables.

Knowledge is knowing there is a vast difference between Jews on one hand and Israelis and Zionists on the other. You don't have a clue. You are an unwitting Zionist tool, primed to label anyone a Jew basher or anti-Semite for being critical of the psychopathic political organization that holds sway in Israel.

They are part of a memetic strain that needs to be eradicated if the human race is to evolve to be more stable. And presently they are attempting to cause us to fight a war against Iran. They have no compunction against precipitating a false flag incident to cause our sons and daughters to die instead of theirs...all because of their claim, based on mythical land entitlement. They conned us into setting them down amidst a nation of indigenous people and immediately began a program of exile and genocide of the Palestinians, who, by the way, are the real Semitic people.

The next time you travel back to your pirated land, imagine, if you will, a fifty foot tall upright hand with poised middle finger, atop a pedestal at the border. My compliments. Sympathy that.

Neat. Do they have a website?

I beg to differ. The problems in the ME prove it, imho. YMMV, obviously.

Infinite variables, one action, of course it is not going to turn out the same. The two suggested authors of that definition are reported to be either Einstein or Ben Franklin with Einstein getting the most votes. Both scientists.

My thanks to Geezer for bringing some flames to the Flame Pit. Discussion, flames and just the smallest portion of civility..perfect.

Well, if you look at the history of the ME since about 1920, I would say the results have been just about the same. Slight variables? Sure. But, in general, intervention = effed up.

It amazes me when Bogus_bill offers statements likes these



Supposedly these ideals of question are opposite.
TEA-Party Non intervention.
Bachman Non-intervention(hadn't heard this.)
Then Liberal non-intervention.

How do they get "grouped" as possibilities. Two being ultra conservative to the one liberal.

It's NON-INTERVENTION.

Imagine the joint base close by being Chinese or Russian installations. Beyond ANYONES exclamations of impossibilities, that is what the countries we are Occupying and building bases on today regard Americans to be like in a percentage higher then approve the occupation.

I agree Funky: In general, intervention = effed up.

Who's the Jews now?

Israeli bill would outlaw comparisons to Nazis
AP – 6 hrs ago

JERUSALEM (AP) — A proposed bill would make it a crime in Israel to criticize people by comparing them to Nazis.

The draft legislation would impose penalties of up to six months in jail and a $25,000 fine for using the word "Nazi" or Holocaust symbols for purposes other than teaching, documentation or research.

The draft legislation passed its first hurdle Monday when Cabinet ministers approved it. It now goes to the full parliament for a vote.

The bill was proposed after ultra-Orthodox demonstrators set off a furor by dressing young boys as Nazi concentration camp inmates during a protest against what they said was incitement against their community. Protesters have also called police "Nazis."

The bill has been criticized by civil rights groups that see it as infringing on freedom of expression.

NYTimes - Iran nuclear scientist carbombed

My bet is the Israelis but the bomber could have been CIA. See, even crazy people don't want crazy people to have nuclear arms.

The doomsday clock just moved one click forward:

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My guess is that it was motivated by the UN which has long been adamantly opposed to Iran obtaining nuclear capability. Maybe they decided that action speaks louder than verbal posturing.
Then again, any sentence which contains the words "UN" and "action" doesn't really make any sense based on past UN (non)performance.