It's probably a combination of a guy who wants to wants to curry favor with the new mayor and get a discount the next time he buys a new car.

It's a chronic problem. Much of what passes for snow removal is just guys with tractors.

If you knew who it was, you'd know how ridiculous your post is...again. You can take that to the bank. The last thing on this person's mind is "currying favor". It's not in his make-up. So maybe you can guess now who clears the road.

It's not as if our municipal employees have much opportunity to develop snowplowing skills.

What I said was partly tongue in cheek. There are many civic minded people in town who'll do things like plow the roads that the city doesn't.

And "the guys with tractors" have more? The county has plowed west satsop road several times in the last few days, maybe the city crew could get training from them. Better yet, pay the county for an hour a day of snowplowing. What would that cost? 8 days a year times $400 or so?

That's like one month interest on cost of the ladder truck.

A few years back, county crews were plowing Monte city streets for free to the city and were threatened with being ticketed by Monte police for doing so.

I noticed the road up to Wilder Hill (where the new Mayor lives) was nicely plowed...

Because it's counterintuitive, I'd like more information before I respond.

Actually, his campaign was very low key.
And he's a very nice man.

When he ran for commissioner, he was told that he was making promises that he would not be able to keep due to laws, pots of money that can only be used for certain things, etc., and his response was (paraphrased) "I don't care as I just want to win." Makes him a liar in my book and I don't equate liars with nice. Personable, maybe, but not nice.

...Politicians all tell lies if promising things you cannot deliver are lies. It is so much part of the game that we expect it now.

Politicians all tell lies if promising things you cannot deliver are lies.

Please give us an example. I would especially like to hear of one with some prominence in national politics.

When I say behavior like this is expected it is not completely negative. You can do no good for your country UNLESS you get elected. The sad sack truth just doesn't cut it. Of course you can't screw your constituents over either.

"By Far the Vast Majority of My Tax Cuts Go to Those at the Bottom"
"....in the first debate with [Al] Gore then candidate Bush said of his tax cuts, "By far the vast majority of the help goes to those at the bottom end of the economic ladder." In the South Carolina primary debate with John McCain he said, "By far the vast majority of my tax cuts go to those at the bottom end of the spectrum" As you can see, he loved this line. He repeated it everywhere.
Shall we parse this statement? Let's start at the end and work backward. "Bottom end of the spectrum." What's that gotta mean? At least the bottom 50 percent, right? Otherwise she word "bottom" in the context is meaningless. He couldn't have meant the bottom 99 percent, could he? That would just be crazy.
How about "majority"? Well, that's unambiguous. It means more than 50 percent. So, so far, at the very least, the bottom half of the American people are getting 50 percent, plus a dollar, of Bush's tax cut.
Now let's add 'vast." "Vast majority." "Vast" is big. Huge. Like the "vast" reaches of space. Very, very big. So, what's a "vast majority?" 90 percent/ 85? It's subjective, I admit. So let's go with a very conservative 70 percent. At this point in our parsing, the bottom 50 percent are getting 70 (give or take) percent of Bush's tax cut.
But wait. "It's not just a "vast majority." It's by far a vast majority. Okay, let's think about that. What does "by far" mean? When you say a restaurant is "by far" the best steak house in town, you're really saying something. When you tell your spouse that sex with her or him is "by far' the best sex you've ever had, you may not be telling the truth - much in the same way that Bush wasn't in this case - but you are definitely trying to score some points. So I'm going to say that "by far" the vast majority of tax cuts go to those at the bottom" would mean that the poorest 50 percent are going somewhere in the neighborhood of 83 to 99 percent of Bush's tax cut.
That's fair, right? That's a fair parsing.
As I said before, the bottom 60 percent got 14.7 percent of that tax cut. Al Franken (pgs 288-289)

It sounds to me that he just faces the truth better than you are able to.

Things that haven't happened are not facts.

And you are an expert at calling things that haven't happened as fact.

so its OK?

I will take it on faith, you think you have a clue.

what's OK?

you take a lot of things on faith and still have no clue

To say things that are not true, and think it is OK.

what have I said that's untrue?

Those are facts.

To start with,

A few years back, county crews were plowing Monte city streets for free to the city and were threatened with being ticketed by Monte police for doing so.

The same thing happened to a friend of mine, who owns a small business in Montesano. He was clearing the snow from his property and the surrounding streets with his own tractor and was threatened by a Montesano Police Officer. This happened several years ago. Maybe it was the same officer.

The wrong person on a piece of equipment can damage a lot of private and city property. It is sort of like politics...power in the wrong hands.

I think this philosophy keeps us a step removed from our city, our streets, our government.

At one time, the people in the neighborhood nearest the storm drains would keep them clear. They have since traded their shovels for a telephone. It's not our problem... it's "the city's" (as if "the city" is anything other than you and your neighbors).

I think I would have insisted the cop give me the ticket and let the muni court and the newspaper sort it out.

I think this philosophy keeps us a step removed from our city, our streets, our government.

At one time, the people in the neighborhood nearest the storm drains would keep them clear. They have since traded their shovels for a telephone. It's not our problem... it's "the city's" (as if "the city" is anything other than you and your neighbors).

I think I would have insisted the cop give me the ticket and let the muni court and the newspaper sort it out.

When he ran for commissioner, he was told that he was making promises that he would not be able to keep due to laws, pots of money that can only be used for certain things, etc., and his response was (paraphrased) "I don't care as I just want to win."

Cleaning a drain is one thing. Destroying curbs with big machinery is another. I was only offering a possible reason that a policeman might halt a big piece of equipment from cleaning the public road, not the idea of taking care of the infrastructure in front of your house.

Did YOU hear his response?
If not, reveal your source.

You have proven yourself to be untrustworthy on this board in the past.

Have you read everyone's personal message correspondence on this board?

No

Then it would be wise to refrain from making certain accusations and innuendo.

1) She has proven herself to be untrustworthy. When one reveals something in a board post that has been confided in a personal message, that qualifies the person as untrustworthy.

Attack? lol. Why would I attack them?

I did? When? What?

Still could make you one of thousands.

Boy did this post ever take a hard right turn in a totally different direction...

Perhaps now that City residents throughout the County are paying more in property taxes to the County with the levy shift we should demand they plow our streets to earn that money?

"Still"

I take that to be your "yes" answer to my question.

Information confided in a private message should never be in any way divulged on the board without permission. To do so demonstrates untrustworthy character.

And sharing gossip heard at a party with an intention of being hurtful and revealing information that could more easily let people know who I am than what I shared about you reveals who you are demonstrates several poor character traits. Which is why I won't share the name of the elected official with you.

None of this negates the fact that Ken Estes is a lying douche bag who's soul will be rotting with Hel.

And it is a mark on your moral character that you defend someone such as Ken the douche bag Estes.

None of this negates the fact that Ken Estes is a lying douche bag who's soul will be rotting with Hel.

And it is a mark on your moral character that you defend someone such as Ken the douche bag Estes.

None of this negates the fact that Ken Estes is a lying douche bag who's soul will be rotting with Hel.

And it is a mark on your moral character that you defend someone such as Ken the douche bag Estes.

Not to mention that when she shared information about my identity it was not only far more explicit, it was also gained from information only confirmed to her via our PMs.

As for the rest, let's just give it a rest, shall we? We'll never agree and the public spat is downright silly. I apologize to everybody on the board who has had to endure it and for my part in continuing it.

You may now have the last word.

It appears you and Mr. Estes have a nasty difference of opinion about something concerning you. Not hard to believe. ::yawn::

Oh please.
I'm not going to regard unsubstantiated accusatory opinion and whining from you as fact.

You are deluded.
It's become ridiculous and pointless to respond to your insanity.

Please provide factual examples of his negative behavior.

You're not smart enough to need proof to believe something .

However it is ODD that you take other unsubstantiated opinion as fact.

I'm not going to regard unsubstantiated accusatory opinion and whining from you as fact.

You are an extremely illogical creature.

He purposefully lied about me to a room full of people. When I asked him retract the lie he refused.

It was almost as easy as figuring out who a member is after they've board posted their written letter to the DW editor that included their name at the end.

If you, BB, said "He purposefully lied about me to a room full of people." to me about ANYONE, that would be "story" enough for me to think twice about someones character.