#41584 - 02/04/12 07:28 AM
Re: GH Democrats
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If they win the lawsuit, you have a point. People file dumb lawsuits all the time.
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#41588 - 02/04/12 01:02 PM
Re: GH Democrats
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journeyman
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If they win the lawsuit, you have a point. People file dumb lawsuits all the time. With all due respect, I think you are missing the point. This is indicative of a prevailing and growing attitude on the part of environmental groups. Where once they were advocates of access to boost public support for protection, they now seek to restrict access for the preservation of areas "untrammeled." These are not just "people" filing "dumb lawsuits," they are powerful organizations with money and some of the best environmental law talent in the country with a long, long list of successful litigation. And, as I am sure you are aware, part of the strategy is simply filing federal lawsuits to interminably tie up proposed actions for years. "Winning" is often a secondary strategy. I think The PI article cited by MWMI was a very fair assessment, written by a very liberal columnist, of the potential issues that could very well arise given the current climate in the elite of the conservation community. If WO proponents want folks to come over to their side on this, then I think they will need to address this and if they do that honestly I'm not sure they'll be able to say this is in the best interests of the local community and the tradition of community access to these areas. I could be wrong but if folks take the approach of being dismissive of valid concerns like this, as cited, then the proposal is dead already.
Edited by Matlockian (02/04/12 01:08 PM)
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#41589 - 02/04/12 01:24 PM
Re: GH Democrats
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journeyman
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I wanted to add a broader observation of conservation efforts in general.
There has been a major shift in international conservation efforts over the last two decades. After seeing failure after failure in protection efforts, conservation groups began understanding that sustainable local communities, especially those culturally and economically based on resource extraction, is a prerequisite to sustainable resource protection. This is a welcome change in my mind. People have to live, and you cannot expect to change foundation cultural practices overnight and simultaneously expect local support for protection interests. Sure, you can try, and perhaps even succeed in the short term, but at what cost to local communities and to the interests of broader environmental protection in the long term.
It would be nice if there was some acknowledgement of this domestically as well.
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#41596 - 02/05/12 10:41 AM
Re: GH Democrats
[Re: Matlockian]
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Carpal Tunnel
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If they win the lawsuit, you have a point. People file dumb lawsuits all the time. With all due respect, I think you are missing the point. This is indicative of a prevailing and growing attitude on the part of environmental groups. Where once they were advocates of access to boost public support for protection, they now seek to restrict access for the preservation of areas "untrammeled." These are not just "people" filing "dumb lawsuits," they are powerful organizations with money and some of the best environmental law talent in the country with a long, long list of successful litigation. And, as I am sure you are aware, part of the strategy is simply filing federal lawsuits to interminably tie up proposed actions for years. "Winning" is often a secondary strategy. I think The PI article cited by MWMI was a very fair assessment, written by a very liberal columnist, of the potential issues that could very well arise given the current climate in the elite of the conservation community. If WO proponents want folks to come over to their side on this, then I think they will need to address this and if they do that honestly I'm not sure they'll be able to say this is in the best interests of the local community and the tradition of community access to these areas. I could be wrong but if folks take the approach of being dismissive of valid concerns like this, as cited, then the proposal is dead already. Actually, you raise some good points. Thanks for the food for thought.
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#41600 - 02/06/12 03:12 AM
Re: GH Democrats
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stranger
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I do not feel it. But also to try and research them.
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#41646 - 02/08/12 07:02 PM
Re: GH Democrats
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The GH Dems. have now RE-INVITED the Working Wild Olympics Coalition to their May 3rd mtg. to give a presentation. Chair Pat Wadsworth is also hoping to have Sara Crumb, from Norm Dicks' staff -
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#41647 - 02/08/12 08:22 PM
Re: GH Democrats
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The GH Dems. have now RE-INVITED the Working Wild Olympics Coalition to their May 3rd mtg. to give a presentation. Chair Pat Wadsworth is also hoping to have Sara Crumb, from Norm Dicks' staff -
Boeholt Facebook page This is a good thing. Always enjoy a good conversation and presentation. At the last meeting, no presentation was necessary. There was only a ridiculous resolution to vote on. It was easy to kill. It said, "Some local, state, and federal elected officials were complicit in a coverup." The only one they could have been talking about was GOP Commissioner Welch. And, I think it would have been innappropriate for the Dems to say that about him. The resolution was voted down unanimously. Looking forward to the presentation.
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