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#41610 - 02/06/12 11:05 AM Keys of the the Kingdom. [Re: ikayak]
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1. What is "the kingdom of heaven"?

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We can define the Kingdom of God as the redemptive presence of God. http://www.americancatholic.org/Newsletters/CU/ac0980.asp



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2. What are "the keys of the kingdom of heaven"?

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Jesus entrusted a specific authority to Peter: "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."287 The "power of the keys" designates authority to govern the house of God, which is the Church. Jesus, the Good Shepherd, confirmed this mandate after his Resurrection: "Feed my sheep."288 The power to "bind and loose" connotes the authority to absolve sins, to pronounce doctrinal judgements, and to make disciplinary decisions in the Church. Jesus entrusted this authority to the Church through the ministry of the apostles289 and in particular through the ministry of Peter, the only one to whom he specifically entrusted the keys of the kingdom.
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#41611 - 02/06/12 12:26 PM Re: Why I hate religion - the video [Re: ikayak]
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Let's leave the Pope out of it and have a scripture based discussion.


See, here, you a saying that the Pope authority is not based on scripture. We disagree, I can make my points and you can show yours, but, I doubt we will come together on this point, which is sad, and a sign to me, that there is evil in the world.

But, we do agree on what Jesus said are the two most important commandments.

"37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”"
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#41612 - 02/06/12 02:55 PM Re: Why I hate religion - the video [Re: Thumper]
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and a sign to me, that there is evil in the world.
And that Evil looks back at you in mirror and is present in the woman you converse this Evil with. whistle


Edited by 5th (02/06/12 02:56 PM)
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#41614 - 02/06/12 04:52 PM Huh [Re: 5th]
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#41634 - 02/08/12 08:53 AM Re: Why I hate religion - the video [Re: 5th]
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It appears the dead souls lack confidence to continue discussing their mythology wink. Perhaps they fear their idiocy will convince other sheep that faith in comic book characters, should they choose, would be more worth the effort then faith in the failed jew god.

C'est la vie, even ceasing the discussion creates an advantageous reversion atmosphere.

Thanks, Dead Souls. Rejoice the waning of your misguided faith.
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#41635 - 02/08/12 09:09 AM Re: Why I hate religion - the video [Re: 5th]
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#41639 - 02/08/12 02:16 PM Re: Why I hate religion - the video [Re: Thumper]
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Placing a period at the end doesn't create, automatically, a complete sentence.
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#41641 - 02/08/12 03:01 PM Re: Why I hate religion - the video [Re: 5th]
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You did understand the message?
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#41644 - 02/08/12 05:30 PM Re: Why I hate religion - the video [Re: 5th]
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Originally Posted By: 5th

Thanks, Dead Souls. Rejoice the waning of your misguided faith.



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#41918 - 02/21/12 10:33 AM Re: Why I hate religion - the video [Re: Thumper]
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I believe Jesus appointed Peter leader of his Church on Earth


I believe that scripture does not confirm your belief.

> Peter referred to himself as a fellow-elder among the other elders...not as "leader of the church". (1Peter 5)

> It was James, not Peter, who presided over the Council of Jerusalem. Others spoke before Peter and after Peter. (Acts 15)

> It was James, not Peter, who decided and pronounced church doctrine at the Council of Jerusalem. (Acts 15)

> The power to "bind" and "to loose" was given to all the Apostles (Matt 18) and we see James "binding" and "loosing" at the Council of Jerusalem. (Acts 15)

> We read of Paul making disciplinary decisions in the church, in fact, Paul called out Peter for being a hypocrite. (Gal 2)

> Paul identified James, Peter, and John equally as "pillars" of the church. (Gal 2)

> Jesus specifically told the Apostles that there was to be no lordship or ruler (kyrieuo) among them as in Gentile kingdoms, that no one among them was to be master (exousiazo) of the body. (Luke 22)

> The first time the resurrected Jesus appeared to eleven of the Twelve, He breathed the Holy Spirit upon them all and gave them all the power to remit sins. (John 20)

> What are the keys of the kingdom?

Firstly, of course the words of the Apostle Paul and the Prophet Silas: believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved. (Acts 16)

Peter expounds on the keys that will supply an entrance into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (2Peter 1):

1. Faith
2. Virtue
3. Knowledge (of God and of Jesus Christ)
4. Self-control
5. Perseverance
6. Godliness
7. Brotherly kindness
8. Love

Thumper, do you really believe that Peter was the only Apostle given these keys to the Kingdom by Jesus? Were not these keys which open the Kingdom of Heaven given by Jesus to the other Apostles? Are they not given in the journey of sanctification by His Spirit to all of God's elect from the foundation of the world?


Thumper, why are RC priests/popes forbidden to marry? Do you know that Holy Scripture condemns this and says it is a doctrine of devils? (1Tim 4) You do know that Peter was married throughout his entire ministry on earth?


Thumper, where in canonized Biblical Scripture does God's Word tell us that Peter's descendants should rule over His church? Nowhere!


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